Complex-valued function - finding argument and magnitude

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the magnitude and argument of complex-valued functions, specifically for the functions given in a homework problem. Participants explore methods for approaching the problem, including rationalizing denominators and converting to polar form, while addressing the challenges posed by complex powers.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem of finding |H(ω)| and argH(ω) for complex functions, indicating a lack of instruction on this topic.
  • Another participant suggests rationalizing the denominator as a first step to simplify the functions.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the suggestion to rationalize the denominator, indicating uncertainty about the process.
  • Further explanation is provided on how to rationalize the denominator and convert the function into a more manageable form for finding modulus and argument.
  • Concerns are raised about handling the exponent in the complex function and whether there are alternative methods to simplify the process, such as using polar form.
  • One participant mentions that using polar math without rationalizing the denominator is a preferred method, providing a general example of how to express complex functions in terms of exponentials.
  • A caution is given regarding the use of arc tangents, emphasizing the importance of preserving the signs of the numerator and denominator when calculating angles.
  • Another participant suggests that expressing H as a ratio of exponentials may assist in dealing with the powers involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for solving the problem, as multiple approaches are discussed, and some participants express uncertainty about the techniques suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on handling complex powers and the implications of rationalizing denominators, indicating that there may be missing assumptions or prior knowledge required to fully understand the problem.

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Homework Statement


Let H(ω) be a complex-value function of the real variable ω. For each of the cases below, find |H(ω)| and argH(ω).

a: H(ω)= 1/(1+iω)^10

b: H(ω)=(-2-iω)/(3+iω)^2

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The Attempt at a Solution



Our prof has not taught how to do these types of questions in terms of functions. I understand how to find the magnitude and principal argument of a complex number, but I'm completely lost how to approach this question.

for complex numbers I'd convert it to polar form using r = \sqrt{a<sup>2</sup>+b<sup>2</sup>} for some complex number z = a+ib and then using tan-1(b/a) to get the principal argument (adjusting the result as necessary).

If someone could please give me a hint as to how to approach this problem I would be extremely grateful since it's due tomorrow!
 
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Have you tried rationalizing the denominator as a first step?
 
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but I don't understand what you mean exactly?
 
you want z=x+iy but you have something like z=\frac{1}{a+ib}... you can make this look like the other one by "rationalizing the denominator". (Good search term to try.) You use the result (a+ib)(a-ib)=a^2+b^2 like this:\frac{1}{a+ib} = \frac{1}{a+ib}\frac{a-ib}{a-ib}=\frac{a-ib}{a^2+b^2}... now you can find the modulus and argument easily.

You may need to multiply out the powers in your problems first though.
 
That's what I was wondering about, the exponent part. Normally you would just put it into polar form to make the power easy to do. I was curious if there was a way to put it into polar form, or some other trick that I'm unaware of. Thank you for your help, I will try expanding it out and doing it using your suggestion
 
That is the trick for putting it into polar form.
Usually you'd have had some experience working through the binomial coefficients for complex powers by this stage... of course, this could be the lesson ;)
 
lveenis said:
That's what I was wondering about, the exponent part. Normally you would just put it into polar form to make the power easy to do. I was curious if there was a way to put it into polar form, or some other trick that I'm unaware of. Thank you for your help, I will try expanding it out and doing it using your suggestion

You certainly can work this with polar math and without "rationalizing the denominator". General example:

f =(a + jb)/(c + jd)

= √{(a2 + b2)/(c2 + d2}exp{j(θ1 - θ2} where θ1 = tan-1(b/a) and θ2 = tan-1(d/c).

In fact, that's how I always do it.

Careful with the arc tangents. For example, the angle arc tan (-1/2) is not the same as arc tan 1/(-2). Preserve the signs of the numerator and denominator!
 
Expressing H as a ratio of exponentials may help deal with the powers too.
 

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