Component of a vector perpendicular to another

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The discussion revolves around finding the vector components of one vector, A, both parallel and perpendicular to another vector, B. Participants explore methods for calculating these components, including the use of dot products and projections, while addressing potential errors and assumptions in their calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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  • One participant presents their calculations for the component of vector A parallel to vector B, noting uncertainty about their method despite matching a textbook answer.
  • Another participant suggests a correction to the definition of vector B and provides their own calculations for the dot product of A and B, leading to a proposed method for finding the parallel component using projection.
  • Some participants discuss the approach of subtracting the parallel component from vector A to find the perpendicular component, referencing the Gram-Schmidt Orthonormalization Procedure as relevant to this method.
  • A later post inquires about a general formula for finding the perpendicular component, indicating interest in formalizing the approach discussed.
  • One participant outlines formulas for both the parallel and perpendicular components, but does not clarify their derivation or applicability in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding their calculations and methods, with no consensus reached on the correctness of the approaches or the results. Multiple competing views on how to calculate the components remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the orthonormality of the basis vectors are made, but not all participants agree on the definitions or methods used, leading to potential discrepancies in the calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in notation, particularly regarding the representation of vector B.

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Given $\overline{A}=-4a_{x}+2a_{y}+3a_{z}$ and $\overline{B}=3a_{x}+4a_{y}-a_{x}$.
1.Find the vector component of A parallel to B
2.Find the vector component of A perpendicular to B

my solution for 1.

$\overline{A}\cdot\overline{b}=-1.372$

$(\overline{A}\cdot\overline{b})(\overline{b})=-0.806a_{x}-1.075a_{y}+0.268a_{z}$

I'm not sure if my method is correct in 1, but it matched the answer at the back of my book. For 2 I have no idea how to attack it. please help. TIA.
 
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Drain Brain said:
Given $\overline{A}=-4a_{x}+2a_{y}+3a_{z}$ and $\overline{B}=3a_{x}+4a_{y}-a_{x}$.

I'm assuming you meant $\overline{B}=3a_x+4a_y-a_{z}$.

1.Find the vector component of A parallel to B
2.Find the vector component of A perpendicular to B

my solution for 1.

$\overline{A}\cdot\overline{b}=-1.372$

$(\overline{A}\cdot\overline{b})(\overline{b})=-0.806a_{x}-1.075a_{y}+0.268a_{z}$

Hmm; I get that $\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B}=(-4)(3)+(2)(4)+(3)(-1)=-12+8-3=-7.$ This is assuming that $a_x, a_y,$ and $a_z$ are orthonormal. Then $(\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B})\overline{B}=-21a_x-28a_y+7a_z$. But if you're trying to find the component of $\overline{A}$ parallel to $\overline{B}$, you would need to compute
$$\text{proj}_{\overline{B}}(\overline{A})=\frac{\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B}}{\overline{B}\cdot \overline{B}} \, \overline{B},$$
or
$$\frac{1}{9+16+1}(-21a_x-28a_y+7a_z)=-0.807a_x -1.077a_y+0.269a_z,$$
pretty much what you got.

I'm not sure if my method is correct in 1, but it matched the answer at the back of my book. For 2 I have no idea how to attack it. please help. TIA.

Why not subtract the result of your previous calculation from $\overline{A}$? If you take $\overline{A}$, and subtract off from it however much of it is in the direction of $\overline{B}$, you should be left with how much of it is perpendicular to $\overline{B}$, right?

This, by the way, is the beginning of the Gram-Schmidt Orthonormalization Procedure, of great importance in linear algebra and quantum mechanics.
 
Ackbach said:
I'm assuming you meant $\overline{B}=3a_x+4a_y-a_{z}$.
Hmm; I get that $\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B}=(-4)(3)+(2)(4)+(3)(-1)=-12+8-3=-7.$ This is assuming that $a_x, a_y,$ and $a_z$ are orthonormal. Then $(\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B})\overline{B}=-21a_x-28a_y+7a_z$. But if you're trying to find the component of $\overline{A}$ parallel to $\overline{B}$, you would need to compute
$$\text{proj}_{\overline{B}}(\overline{A})=\frac{\overline{A}\cdot\overline{B}}{\overline{B}\cdot \overline{B}} \, \overline{B},$$
or
$$\frac{1}{9+16+1}(-21a_x-28a_y+7a_z)=-0.807a_x -1.077a_y+0.269a_z,$$
pretty much what you got.
Why not subtract the result of your previous calculation from $\overline{A}$? If you take $\overline{A}$, and subtract off from it however much of it is in the direction of $\overline{B}$, you should be left with how much of it is perpendicular to $\overline{B}$, right?

This, by the way, is the beginning of the Gram-Schmidt Orthonormalization Procedure, of great importance in linear algebra and quantum mechanics.

By the way, $\overline{b}$ is the unit vector in the direction of $\overline{B}$
 
Drain Brain said:
By the way, $\overline{b}$ is the unit vector in the direction of $\overline{B}$

Is there a general formula for prob. 2 like what you suggested in prob 1? Thnaks!
 
Drain Brain said:
Is there a general formula for prob. 2 like what you suggested in prob 1? Thnaks!

I'd recommend you take a closer look at the tail end of Post #2.
 
1) The component of vector parallel to another vector is found by the formula

u . v/ l v l
u refers to first vector, . refers to dot product, v is second vector and l v l is magnitude of second vector.

2) The component of vector perpendicular to another vector is found by the formula

P - ( P . Q^) Q^

P refers to first vector, - refers to subtraction, . refers to dot product, Q^ refers to the unit vector in the direction of second vector.

You can ask me for more doubts,

I am a student studying in 8th grade.
 

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