Compositions into relatively prime parts

In summary, the conversation discussed a problem from a mathematics journal about the number of compositions of an integer into relatively prime parts and how it is always a multiple of 3. The conversation participants tried different approaches such as splitting it into cases, finding a formula, and using induction to prove this statement. More help and ideas were requested from other mathematicians.
  • #1
TimNguyen
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Hello.

I was reading a journal and an interesting problem came up. I believe the journal was in the American Mathematics Society publications. Well, here's the statement.

"For all integers, n greater than or equal to 3, the number of compositions of n into relatively prime parts is a multiple of 3."

Example : For 4: the compositions of relatively prime parts are:

(1,3), (3,1), (2,1,1), (1,2,1), (1,1,2), (1,1,1,1).

This is what I have so far for a "proof":

Let n be an integer greater than or equal to 3.
Then the first composition will be given by (n-1, 1), (1, n-1); since for all k, an integer, (k, 1) and (1, k) are always relatively prime.
Also, (1, 1, ..., 1) where the composition adds to n is also an obtainable composition.

(So basically, I've gotten the end points of the compositions to be a multiple of 3, then I need to prove that the "in-between" compositions will also be a multiple of 3.)

Well, obviously I'm stuck there. I've tried to split it into two cases afterwards where the cases involve n - odd and n - even but it has come to no avail. Also I've tried to find a formula where the compositions of relatively prime parts is a multiple of 3 but it fails at "6". Here was the formula I came up with that failed, if it could be potentially be improved upon.

Formula: Starting at n=1, where i=3, i being the starting point.

(i)!/2^n

Like:
For 3, 3! = 6 divided by 2^1 = 2 will equal 3 compositions- a multiple of 3
For 4, 4! = 24 divided by 2^2 = 4 will equal 6 compositions - a multiple of 3
For 5, 5! = 120 divided by 2^3 = 8 will equal 15 compositions - multiple of 3

Well, hopefully people will post their ideas...
 
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  • #2
at first glance, my thought is to separate the cases into three. first do 3|n, then do 3|n+1 and 3|n+2 . its quite easy to show the specific case of 4,5,6 and show how the compositions break down into threes. its not quite so simple to just give a formula to derive the number of groupings, but i think you are on the right track. i think your explorations in that realm will give you something.

your formula gives 45 compositions for 6. is that total bunk? i don't feel like doing it on paper. well, it certainly gives a multiple of 3, and that can be shown.

i have a proof from an elementary course that gives the prime factorization breakdown for n! in the general case, and it shows that 3 must obviously be a factor of all n! for n>3, and that 2^k will be a factor too, but 2^k was determined by part of the proof, it wasnt just n-2. I am rambling now. but anyways, its found by taking the largest power of 2 that is less than the number. starting with that power, say j, 2^(j!) will give the exponent to divide the number down. and n!/(2^j!) must also be divisible by 3.

I think you got the right direction to get a full proof of the statement. Ill work on it a bit more when physics isn't bogging me down so much.
 
  • #3
code.master said:
your formula gives 45 compositions for 6. is that total bunk? i don't feel like doing it on paper. well, it certainly gives a multiple of 3, and that can be shown.

Thanks for the reply.

The formula I've written down is wrong for 6 because I've listed (sadly) the compositions and it wasn't 45, it was more like 20-ish. Also, for 7, it definitely fails since 7!/2^5 = 157.5 - not a multiple of 3. I think there's probably some type of "factor" that needs to be added to such proposed formula in order for it to work after 6, but is negligible before it.
 
  • #4
I was wondering... could this be solved by some sort of induction...?
 
  • #5
Any other math people?
 
  • #6
Could anyone help?
 

1. What is the meaning of "compositions into relatively prime parts"?

"Compositions into relatively prime parts" refers to a mathematical process in which a number is broken down into smaller parts, and each part is relatively prime to one another. This means that the greatest common divisor of any two parts is 1.

2. How is a number composed into relatively prime parts?

To compose a number into relatively prime parts, you can use a method called prime factorization. This involves breaking down the number into its prime factors and then grouping them in a way that each group contains only relatively prime numbers.

3. What is the significance of composing a number into relatively prime parts?

Composing a number into relatively prime parts has many applications in mathematics, especially in number theory. It helps in finding the greatest common divisor and least common multiple of a set of numbers, and also in solving problems related to fractions and ratios.

4. Can a number have more than one composition into relatively prime parts?

Yes, a number can have multiple compositions into relatively prime parts. For example, the number 12 can be composed into 3 and 4, or into 2, 2, and 3. However, the number of compositions is limited and can be calculated using a formula based on the number's prime factorization.

5. How is the concept of compositions into relatively prime parts related to the concept of coprime numbers?

Compositions into relatively prime parts and coprime numbers are closely related. A set of numbers is said to be coprime if they have no common factors other than 1. This is the same as saying that they can be composed into relatively prime parts. So, every set of coprime numbers has a unique composition into relatively prime parts, and vice versa.

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