Compression of a spring with friction

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the compression of a spring with friction, focusing on energy conservation principles and the effects of gravitational potential energy. Participants are analyzing the motion of a sledge moving between different heights and surfaces, applying concepts from mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply conservation of energy principles to determine the velocity of the sledge at various points and the maximum compression of the spring. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of potential energy changes and the correct application of formulas. Some participants express uncertainty about specific values and calculations, particularly concerning the velocity at point C.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with multiple participants providing insights and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of energy conservation, but there is no explicit consensus on the values being calculated, particularly the velocity at point C. Several interpretations and calculations are being explored.

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There are indications of missing information in the problem setup, such as unclear problem text and assumptions about reference levels for potential energy. Participants are questioning the accuracy of given values and the implications of friction in the calculations.

  • #31
CAF123 said:
I agree. I measure the potential at various points of the journey with respect to the ground/ relative to the ground.

Maybe we approach different way.
If force is applied for a distance then the body gain energy equal to Fx
Now if gravity do work and PULL the object down, energy gain by the object.
The object gain energy depend on the distance it moved NOT from where(assuming g constant)

Does a point A higher than B have different ΔPE if moved equal distance?
Is position determine the energy equation?

The motion is between Point A, B and C only.
Making ground as reference will create unnecessarily messy calculation.

Add: You should also check about conservative force.
 
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  • #32
CAF123 said:
Many thanks. I think the reason I might have got confused is because azizlwl might have used a different reference of potential.
Ok, so using the velocity at C to be 15.7m/s, i have: \frac{1}{2}mv_c^2 + mgh_c = \frac{1}{2}kx^2 + mg\mu(CD). Putting in numbers gives x ≈ 7.7m?
Where is my error?
Your error is that you forgot to include the gravitational potential energy term at E. It has the same value as the gravitational potential energy at C. Correcting for this oversight , you get x = 1 m. Same answer as the other approaches.
 
  • #33
PhanthomJay said:
Your error is that you forgot to include the gravitational potential energy term at E. It has the same value as the gravitational potential energy at C. Correcting for this oversight , you get x = 1 m. Same answer as the other approaches.
Thanks for pointing this out: all this discussion for a simple error like that. And thanks azizlwl - it is good to know there are other ways to solve the problem.
 

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