Compton Scattering Using Newtonian Physics

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The discussion focuses on deriving a specific equation related to Compton scattering using Newtonian physics, involving the energies of incident and scattered photons and the scattering angle. The user has successfully derived the relativistic equation but is struggling with the algebraic manipulation needed to reach the desired form. Key suggestions include using conservation laws for momentum and energy, and applying the cosine law to relate the momenta. A recommendation is made to avoid squaring an equation prematurely and instead to manipulate it by dividing by terms to isolate the desired components. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic steps in achieving the correct derivation.
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Hey guys,

Im trying to derive the following equation

(mc^2) [(1/E2)-(1/E1)]+cos(theta)-[((E1-E2)^2)/(2E1E2)]=1

E1 = Incident Photon's energy
E2 = Scattered Photon's energy
theta= scattering angle
m = mass of electron
c = s

Using conservation of energy,conservation of mass, and the cosine law

I've derived the relativistic equation, but I am really stumped on how to derive this...its been a couple days
Any help at all would be appreciated. I feel like I'm really close but the algebra is the problem

Thanks in advance for your help guys and gals,
 
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\[
\begin{gathered}
{\text{Conservation of momentum: }}p_1 + p_{e_1 } = p_2 + p_{e_2 } \hfill \\
{\text{assume electron starts from rest }}p_1 = p_2 + p_{e_2 } \hfill \\
{\text{Conservation of energy: }}E_1 + E_{e_1 } = E_2 + E_{e_2 } \hfill \\
E_1 = p_1 c \hfill \\
E_2 = p_2 c \hfill \\
E_{e_1 } = 0 \hfill \\
E_{e_2 } = \frac{1}
{2}m_0 v^2 = \frac{1}
{{2m_0 }}p_e ^2 \hfill \\
\hfill \\
p_1 c = p_2 c + \frac{1}
{{2m_0 }}p_e ^2 {\text{ }} \hfill \\
\Leftrightarrow 2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ) = p_e ^2 \hfill \\
{\text{Sub in }}p_e ^2 = p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta {\text{ from cosine law}} \hfill \\
\Rightarrow 2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ) = p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta \hfill \\
\Leftrightarrow (2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ))^2 = (p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta )^2 \hfill \\
\Leftrightarrow 4m_0 ^2 c^2 (p_1 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 + p_2 ^2 ) = p_1 ^4 + 2p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 - 4p_1 ^3 p_2 \cos \Theta + p_2 ^4 - 4p_2 ^3 p_1 \cos \Theta + 4p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 \cos ^2 \Theta \hfill \\
\Leftrightarrow 4m_0 ^2 c^2 p_1 ^2 - 8m_0 ^2 c^2 p_1 p_2 + 4m_0 ^2 c^2 p_2 = p_1 ^4 + 2p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 - 4p_1 ^3 p_2 \cos \Theta + p_2 ^4 - 4p_2 ^3 p_1 \cos \Theta + 4p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 \cos ^2 \Theta \hfill \\
\end{gathered}
\]
 
rpardo said:
<br /> \[<br /> \begin{gathered}<br /> {\text{Conservation of momentum: }}p_1 + p_{e_1 } = p_2 + p_{e_2 } \hfill \\<br /> {\text{assume electron starts from rest }}p_1 = p_2 + p_{e_2 } \hfill \\<br /> {\text{Conservation of energy: }}E_1 + E_{e_1 } = E_2 + E_{e_2 } \hfill \\<br /> E_1 = p_1 c \hfill \\<br /> E_2 = p_2 c \hfill \\<br /> E_{e_1 } = 0 \hfill \\<br /> E_{e_2 } = \frac{1}<br /> {2}m_0 v^2 = \frac{1}<br /> {{2m_0 }}p_e ^2 \hfill \\<br /> \hfill \\<br /> p_1 c = p_2 c + \frac{1}<br /> {{2m_0 }}p_e ^2 {\text{ }} \hfill \\<br /> \Leftrightarrow 2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ) = p_e ^2 \hfill \\<br /> {\text{Sub in }}p_e ^2 = p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta {\text{ from cosine law}} \hfill \\<br /> \Rightarrow 2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ) = p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta \hfill \\<br /> \Leftrightarrow (2m_0 c(p_1 - p_2 ))^2 = (p_1 ^2 + p_2 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 \cos \Theta )^2 \hfill \\<br /> \Leftrightarrow 4m_0 ^2 c^2 (p_1 ^2 - 2p_1 p_2 + p_2 ^2 ) = p_1 ^4 + 2p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 - 4p_1 ^3 p_2 \cos \Theta + p_2 ^4 - 4p_2 ^3 p_1 \cos \Theta + 4p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 \cos ^2 \Theta \hfill \\<br /> \Leftrightarrow 4m_0 ^2 c^2 p_1 ^2 - 8m_0 ^2 c^2 p_1 p_2 + 4m_0 ^2 c^2 p_2 = p_1 ^4 + 2p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 - 4p_1 ^3 p_2 \cos \Theta + p_2 ^4 - 4p_2 ^3 p_1 \cos \Theta + 4p_1 ^2 p_2 ^2 \cos ^2 \Theta \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} <br /> \]<br />

Fixed your latex!
 
Once you get to

2m_0c(p_1-p_2) = p_1^2+p_2^2-2p_1p_2\cos\theta

don't square the equation. Instead, divide by 2p_1p_2. Throw in factors of c here and there, and you'll have the cosine term and the mc2(1/E2-1/E1) terms that you want. You just have to then figure out how the rest works out.
 
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