Compute Work Done by Air: 103kPa to 101.3kPa

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done by air during an isothermal expansion from a gauge pressure of 103 kPa to 101.3 kPa, followed by cooling at constant pressure. The user, Casey, applies the formula for work done during isothermal processes, W_{12} = nRT ln(V2/V1), and calculates V2 using absolute pressure. The computed work values are W_{12} = 243 J and W_{23} = -242 J, leading to a total work of 1 J, which contradicts the expected answer of 5.6 kJ. Casey seeks assistance in identifying the error in their calculations.

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`Air that initially occupies .140 m^3 at a gauge pressure of 103.0 kPa is expanded isothermally to a pressure of 101.3 kPa and then cooled at constant pressure until it reaches its initial volume.

Compute the work done by the air. (Gauge pressure is the difference between the actual pressure and atmospheric pressure.)

So I am going with \sum W=W_{12}+W_{23}

1-->2 is isothermal so W_{12}=nRT\ln\frac{V_2}{V_1}(1)
to find V_2 I used V_2=\frac{p_1}{p_2}*V_1. I think I need to use absolute pressure though.

So V_2=\frac{103*10^3+1.0*10^5}{101.3*10^3+1.0*10^5}*0.14 m^3=0.1412 m^3

So from (1) and using the fact that p_1V_1=nRT I get W_{12}=p_1V_1\ln\frac{.1412}{.14}=(103*10^3+1.0*10^5)(.14)\ln\frac{.1412}{.14}=243 J

From2-->3 since pressure is constant I used W_{23}=p*\Delta V=(101.3*10^3+1.0*10^3)(.14-.1412)=-242 J

So \sum W=-242+243= 1 J

The answer in the text is 5.6 kJ !

Where is my error(s)?!

Thanks,
Casey
 
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I know it is a lot to go through, but I would appreciate a hand. I have my final tomorrow and I thought I understood this perfectly fine.

Any help is appreciated!
Casey
 
So I have gone over this again today and I still do not know where my mistake is? Nobody else can see it either? This thread has been up for 3 days...I thought it was pretty well-organized?

Casey
 

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