Thermodynamics: Joule / Brayton Cycle - Specific Work Done Question

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The discussion revolves around the Joule/Brayton cycle in thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the calculation of specific work done and thermal efficiency. The original poster presents equations related to specific work and thermal efficiency, along with state conditions for the cycle involving air.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the net specific work done using different equations and questions the correctness of their approach. Some participants question whether the work done between certain states has been fully accounted for, particularly regarding the heat rejection stage. Others suggest that multiple parts of the cycle contribute to the work done on the engine.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the work done in the cycle. Some have provided clarifications regarding the contributions of various stages to the total work, while others are still seeking to understand the implications of their calculations and the role of specific constants in the equations.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the given state conditions and the equations provided. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between work and heat transfer in the context of the cycle, as well as the implications of using specific equations for different stages of the process.

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Homework Statement
Calculate the specific net work done (work done per kg) for the cycle
Relevant Equations
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Relevant Equations:
Specific Work Done: w = \frac{p_2 v_2 - p_1 v_1}{1-\gamma} (1)
w = \frac{R}{1-\gamma} \times (T_2 - T_1) (2)

Thermal efficiency: \eta _{th} = 1- \frac{1}{r_p ^ {\frac{\gamma - 1}{\gamma}}} = \frac{w_{out} - w_{in}}{q_{in}} = \frac{q_{out} - q_{in}}{q_{in}} (3)

Context & My Question:

The question was building up to us calculating the thermal efficiency of the cycle, which I can check using the above formula (equation 3).

We were given the following information about the states: (air is used so \gamma = 1.4)
State 1 - 1 bar, 298 K
State 2 - 8 bar
State 3 - 8 bar, 1473 K
State 4 - 1 bar

Process: 1-->2: Adiabatic compression, 2-->3: Heating at constant pressure, 3-->4 Adiabatic expansion, 4--> 1 Heat rejection at constant pressure.

r_p = p2/p1 = 8

Basically, I was wondering whether anyone else could help me realize what I have done wrong when calculating the net specific work done?

I have done the previous parts of the question correctly, so I know the temperatures are correct. We don't know the specific volumes, so I opted to use the alternate form of the work done equation (equation 2). After plugging in that formula, I get the following values (kJ/kg): w_in = -173.49930 and w_out = 473.4338368, thus giving the wrong efficiency. I have found that multiplying equation (3) by \gamma and then repeating the calculation yields the correct answer. Why is this the case? I know c_{p} = \frac{\gamma R}{1 - \gamma}, but am unable to see why we would use include that constant here.

I have used the efficiency equation with r_p the final version to calculate the efficiency correctly (should be around 0.447...)

Thanks in advance.

Pictures of my work are below:

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Doesn't formula (2) yield just the Win between states 1 and 2? Isn't there additional Win between states 4 and 1?
 
TSny said:
Doesn't formula (2) yield just the Win between states 1 and 2? Isn't there additional Win between states 4 and 1?
Thank you for your response. I thought 4 --> 1 is the heat rejection stage (should have made that clearer in the post), thus meaning that we ought not to think about that part?
 
Yes, 4 -> 1 is the only part of the cycle where heat is rejected. However, there are two parts of the cycle where work is done on the engine by the environment ("in" work).
 
TSny said:
Yes, 4 -> 1 is the only part of the cycle where heat is rejected. However, there are two parts of the cycle where work is done on the engine by the environment ("in" work).
Thank you for your response. So are you saying that stage 4-->1 acts as both q_out and w_in?
 
Master1022 said:
Thank you for your response. So are you saying that stage 4-->1 acts as both q_out and w_in?
Yes, 4->1 is where qout takes place and where part of Win takes place.
 
TSny said:
Yes, 4->1 is where qout takes place and where part of Win takes place.
Thanks. So was it just a coincidence that multiplying by \gamma helped adjust for the answer?
 
Master1022 said:
Thanks. So was it just a coincidence that multiplying by \gamma helped adjust for the answer?
No, it's not just a coincidence.

For example, the total Win equals the work in going from 4 to1 plus the work in going from 1 to 2.
That is Win = W4->1->2.

Likewise, Wout equals W2->3->4.

It is possible to show that W2->3->4 - W4->1->2 = ##\gamma## (W3->4 - W1->2). This accounts for why you got the correct answer for the efficiency by using equation (2) and multiplying by ##\gamma##.
 
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TSny said:
No, it's not just a coincidence.

For example, the total Win equals the work in going from 4 to1 plus the work in going from 1 to 2.
That is Win = W4->1->2.

Likewise, Wout equals W2->3->4.

It is possible to show that W2->3->4 - W4->1->2 = ##\gamma## (W3->4 - W1->2). This accounts for why you got the correct answer for the efficiency by using equation (2) and multiplying by ##\gamma##.
Thank you very much.
 

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