Concenctric spheres and electron

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an electron ejected from an internal charged sphere within a concentric external charged sphere. It is clarified that the electric field inside the external sphere is not zero due to the presence of the internal sphere, which affects the potential experienced by the electron. The charge on the internal sphere is not zero, as it must maintain a potential of zero at its surface. When the electron exits the internal sphere, its charge does not significantly alter the charge distribution of the external sphere, and induced charges can typically be neglected for this problem. Overall, the key takeaway is that the external sphere does not influence the electron's motion directly, but the internal sphere's charge plays a crucial role in determining the electron's potential energy.
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Homework Statement


Inside evenly charged (with charge Q < 0) sphere with radius R is evenly charged sphere with potential equal to potential in infinity and radius R/2. Both sphere are concentric.
From internal sphere, tangentially to it fly out electron (with charge e < 0). What is minimal initial kinetic energy of the electron E so it can reach external sphere? Electron speed is much smaller than speed of light.


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External sphere does not have effect on electron because electric field inside a sphere is zero (Gauss's law), am I right? Potential in infinity is equal to zero so in inital moment charge on internal sphere is equal to zero. After the electron fly out of it its going to have charge equal to e (e > 0) and therefore it has effect on electron. My question is whether or not this new charge induces additional charges on external sphere and those additional charges have effect on electron?
 
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Hello masacre,
masacre said:

Homework Statement


Inside evenly charged (with charge Q < 0) sphere with radius R is evenly charged sphere with potential equal to potential in infinity and radius R/2. Both sphere are concentric.
From internal sphere, tangentially to it fly out electron (with charge e < 0). What is minimal initial kinetic energy of the electron E so it can reach external sphere? Electron speed is much smaller than speed of light.


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The Attempt at a Solution



External sphere does not have effect on electron because electric field inside a sphere is zero (Gauss's law), am I right?
Yes, and no.

You are correct that the external, spherical shell does not affect the motion of the electron (all else being the same). The evenly distributed charge on the external, spherical shell does not affect the electric field within the shell; thus it doesn't have a direct effect on the electron.

But you are not correct that the electric field within the external, spherical shell is zero (i.e. between R > r > R/2). That's because there is the internal sphere inside.

Gauss' law states that the electric field inside a evenly distributed, charged, spherical shell is zero, only if there are no other charges around. But in this case, the inner sphere does have a charge on it.
Potential in infinity is equal to zero so in inital moment charge on internal sphere is equal to zero.
That's not correct either. Just because the electric potential at surface of the internal sphere is equal to zero (with respect to infinity), does not mean that the charge on the internal sphere is zero.

If it helps, consider a different situation. Suppose that there is no internal sphere at all, but there is still the external, spherical shell with some evenly distributed charge on it. In this other, hypothetical situation, because there is no electric field inside the shell, it means the electric potential inside the shell is constant (i.e. uniform). But that does not mean it is zero. It just means that the electric potential is constant at all points within the shell.

This problem is different than that though. In this problem the internal sphere must have some charge on it in order to bring the potential back to zero at the surface of the inner sphere (otherwise the potential inside the external shell would be a non-zero constant).
After the electron fly out of it its going to have charge equal to e (e > 0) and therefore it has effect on electron.
I'm guessing that for this exercise, you can neglect the small change in the charge of the internal sphere as an electron flies out.
My question is whether or not this new charge induces additional charges on external sphere and those additional charges have effect on electron?
I'm guessing that you are supposed to neglect induced charges (or anything similar to that) for this problem.
 
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