Conceptual Difficulties in the Roles of Variables - Comments

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The discussion revolves around the conceptual difficulties associated with the roles of variables and constants in mathematical notation and reasoning. It includes considerations of notation in calculus, the implications of using variables in different coordinate systems, and personal approaches to problem-solving in algebra.

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  • Some participants propose that the distinction between variables and constants is not purely mathematical but rather meta-mathematical or logical, suggesting that they serve as notation tools rather than mathematical objects.
  • One participant highlights the potential confusion arising from Leibniz notation, arguing that it mixes mathematical objects with notation devices, which can lead to misunderstandings about the nature of variables and functions.
  • There is a concern about the abuse of notation when using the same function symbol for related but distinct functions, particularly when the arguments differ due to different coordinate systems.
  • Another participant shares a personal approach to problem-solving by creating "temporary variables" to simplify calculations, questioning whether this method is commonly used by others.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of variables and constants, with some emphasizing the logical aspects while others focus on practical applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding and utilizing variables in mathematical contexts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the roles of variables and constants, as well as the dependence on specific mathematical definitions and contexts. The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the use of notation in different coordinate systems.

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haruspex said:

I think there are still important pitfalls that might deserve deeper explanations and details:
  1. The opposition variable/constant is not a mathematical one but a meta-mathematical/logical one. Variables and constants are not mathematical objects but notation tools to describes mathematical objects (that's why for example you can say at the same time that ##x## is a variable and ##x## is a real number). A big pitfall with the ubiquitous Leibnitz notations (##\frac{d f}{d x}##, ##\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}##, ...) is that it mixes mathematical objects (like function ##f##) with notation devices (like variable ##x## which represents one of the function "slots", i.e. argument position and absolutely not a number here).
  2. As mentioned it is a common abuse of notation to use the same function symbol for related but distinct functions when their output has the same semantical meaning but the arguments (= the coordinate system) are different. One of the big issue with this abuse of notation is this one:
    Consider ## (x, y) ## and ## (x, u) ## two coordinate systems with the common coordinate ##x## and a smooth function ##f##. I can then compute ## (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}) ## and ## (\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}, \frac{\partial f}{\partial u}) ##. But the two objects ## \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} ## are in fact entirely different functions : ## \left. \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_y ## and ## \left. \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right|_u ##. The fact that derivation along a single coordinate depends on the entire coordinate system would really deserve to be insisted upon.
 
Nice article, though I can't follow the section on derivatives as I haven't reached calculus yet. At a much simpler level (which is where I'm at as an older adult/amateur learner revisiting high school math), I sometimes invent "temporary variables" just for purposes of calculating; e.g. there was a homework question recently about a word problem in basic algebra that stated, among other things, "##d## is ##k## percent less than ##c##". Solving it myself for fun, rather than work directly with ##d = (1-k)c##, I made a temporary variable ##k' = 1-k## so I could get rid of the parens and just say ##d = k'c##, postponing the subtraction until after everything else was done. But that's just me working on my own; I have no idea if "temporary variables" are used by other people.
 

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