Conceptual Problem about Capacitance

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of doubling the distance between the plates of a parallel plate capacitor while keeping the charge fixed. Participants explore the implications for capacitance, potential difference, electric field, and stored energy, engaging with relevant formulas and concepts.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that doubling the distance will halve the capacitance based on the formula C=Aε0/d.
  • Another participant agrees with the halving of capacitance and states that if charge Q remains constant, the potential difference must double.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the electric field, noting that it varies with voltage but is unsure about the correct reasoning.
  • One participant calculates that the stored energy would be twice the original value based on their interpretation of the relationships between capacitance, voltage, and energy stored.
  • Another participant challenges the understanding of the electric field, stating that it is uniform in capacitors and depends on charge and area, suggesting that it remains constant when both voltage and distance are doubled.
  • Some participants encourage the use of additional formulas and deeper study of the concepts involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationships between capacitance, potential difference, and stored energy, but there is disagreement regarding the behavior of the electric field, with differing interpretations of its dependence on voltage and distance.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for further study of the underlying concepts and formulas, indicating that there may be missing assumptions or misunderstandings regarding the electric field and energy relationships.

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I think I know the answers to the question I am going to ask but I am just going to make sure. This is going to be quite simple for most of the experts here so here goes:

If we have a parallel plate capacitor and we double the distance between the plates while keeping the charge Q on the plates fixed. What will happen to:

a)The Capacitance
b)The Potential Difference
c)The Electric Field between the Plates
d)The Stored Energy

I studied the formulas/concepts and the answers I predicted were

a) The capacitance will be halved
b) The potential difference will double
c) The electric field will double
d) The energy stored will be twice as much

Are my answers correct or are they completely off?

Thanks in advance :)
 
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hi sj005! welcome to pf! :smile:
sj005 said:
Are my answers correct …

maybe! :biggrin:

give reasons (ie a quick equation in each case) :wink:
 
Welcome to world of physics!

I think you are correct. Using derived equations C=Aε0/d and U=1/2CV^2.
 
Thanks for the welcome message guys :). I've heard a lot about Physics Forums-everyone tells me its awesome :D. In reply to tiny-tim, I derived my answers from these formulas:

a)C=Aε0/d - Capacitance is based on the geometry. The area of the plates didn't change, and the permitivity of free space ε0 is a constant so if the distance is doubled, the capacitance would become half its initial value.
b)Q=CV - The capacitance was halved(part a) so if the charge Q is to remain the same(as stated in the problem), the voltage V must become twice its original value.
c)This one seems most confusing to me and I just considered that the electric field varies according to the voltage. I don't think I got this one right.
d) E(stored energy)=(1/2)(C)(V^2) so if the capacitance is halved and the voltage doubles, we could write it as 1/2(C/2)(2V)^2 which would become
=(C/4)(2^2)(V^2)
=(C/4)(4)(V^2)
The 4 cancels in the numerator and denominator leaving:
=(C)(V^2) which is twice the original stored energy

Is my way on thinking correct or should I consider using more physical reasoning or perhaps different formulas?
 
To sj005:

How do you account for the extra energy stored in the capacitor?
 
hi sj005! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

a) fine :smile: (except more generally you can say C=Aε/d, for a general dielectric)

b) fine, though you can also get V directly as ∫ E dx

c) no, E = D/ε, which depends only on Q and A … see your book, or the PF Library on capacitor

d) fine, but learn the other formulas such as 1/2 QV :wink:
 
Thanks again tiny tim :) . I guess I do need to go back to my book and study the concepts a little more. :D
 
tiny-tim said:
hi sj005! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

a) fine :smile: (except more generally you can say C=Aε/d, for a general dielectric)

b) fine, though you can also get V directly as ∫ E dx

c) no, E = D/ε, which depends only on Q and A … see your book, or the PF Library on capacitor

d) fine, but learn the other formulas such as 1/2 QV :wink:


Sorry, I didn't read the third one carefully. In capacitors, electric field is uniform, so E=V/d. As V and d both doubled (as you sad yourself), E is constant, no need for other formulae.

The last, equation actually derives E=1/2CV^2 via substituting Q=CV
 

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