Conceptual question about the Kinetic Energy Equation

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the kinetic energy equation, specifically the role of "v" in the formula K = 1/2 mv². Participants explore whether "v" represents velocity or speed, and how this relates to the scalar nature of kinetic energy.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether "v" in the kinetic energy formula is truly velocity or just speed, noting that speed is the magnitude of the velocity vector without direction.
  • Another participant asserts that while v² is a scalar (the square of the magnitude of velocity), velocity itself is a vector that includes direction.
  • A later reply clarifies that only the square of v is scalar, while velocity is indeed a vector, expressing agreement with the previous point.
  • Another participant expands on the kinetic energy equation by breaking down "v" into its components (v_x, v_y, v_z) and relating them to derivatives of position with respect to time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "v" in the kinetic energy equation, with some emphasizing the vector nature of velocity and others focusing on the scalar aspect of speed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of velocity and speed, as well as the implications of treating "v" as a vector versus a scalar in the context of kinetic energy.

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So as you all know, kinetic energy is..
[tex]K=\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]

The question I have is the followng.

The "v" in this formula isn't really velocity, its speed is it not? Which is just the magnitude of the velocity vector with no direction information. Kinetic energy is a scalar quantity so with this formula am I allowed to write..

[tex]v=\frac{dx}{dt}[/tex]

Since this is just speed, which is the magnitude of the velocity vector, how does this make sense? Couldn't it just as easily be dy/dt or dz/dt? When deriving the kinetic energy formula from Newtons Second Law, you end up with the integral of "Fv" on one side and manipulate v to "dx/dt" to get the work integral.

I guess the main point of my question is, how can v=dx/dt when "v" isn't specifying any particular direction?
 
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v2 is the dot product of (v)(v) which is a scalar equal to the square of the magnitude of v. So velocity2 = speed2, but velocity in the expression 1/2 m v2 is a vector and does have a direction.
 
rcgldr said:
v2 is the dot product of (v)(v) which is a scalar equal to the square of the magnitude of v. So velocity2 = speed2, but velocity in the expression 1/2 m v2 is a vector and does have a direction.

So basically, only the square of v is scalar? But velocity itself is a vector? Makes sense! Thanks :D
 
Consider this:

[tex]K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 = \frac{1}{2}m (v_x^2 + v_y^2 + v_z^2)<br /> = \frac{1}{2}m \left[ {\left( \frac{dx}{dt} \right)}^2 + {\left( \frac{dy}{dt} \right)}^2<br /> + {\left( \frac{dz}{dt} \right)}^2 \right][/tex]
 

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