Concerning QED and the Many Worlds theory.

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The discussion centers on the relationship between Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and the Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics. Participants clarify that while QED suggests a photon can be described by multiple paths, the interpretation of these paths is complex and not as straightforward as "all paths" or "no path." The mathematics of quantum mechanics indicates the existence of approximately 10^500 possible universes, a concept often associated with String Theory rather than QED. The conversation emphasizes the need for a solid understanding of MWI before speculating on multiverse theories.

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In QED the maths suggests that a photon takes all possible paths, and all but one of the paths cancel out leaving the path we observe.
Using this as an analogy:-
The maths of quantum mechanics suggests a vast number of possible universes concurrent with our universe.
Perhaps all these mathematically possible universe cancels out with the others, leaving what we see as the wave function of our universe.

Has anyone thought along these lines?
 
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John Plant said:
In QED the maths suggests that a photon takes all possible paths, and all but one of the paths cancel out leaving the path we observe.
Not quite... It says that the probability of the photon being detected at a particular point in time and space can be calculated by adding up the amplitudes associated with all possible paths to that point. The leap from that calculation to "the photon takes all possible paths" is large and not easily justified; and the fact that I can just as accurately describe what the math says by saying "the photon takes no path" suggests that neither "all paths" nor "no path" are very good mental models.
The maths of quantum mechanics suggests a vast number of possible universes concurrent with our universe.
Perhaps all these mathematically possible universe cancels out with the others, leaving what we see as the wave function of our universe.
It is possible to describe the Multiple Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics as "a vast number of possible universes concurrent with our universe" (athough that's not really what the math says, it's just a not very good English language substitute for what the math says). But even if we try following that line of thought, the mathematical terms in the wave function that correspond to the different "universes" don't cancel - they add in such a way that they don't affect one another, and that property is essential to the operation of the MWI.
Has anyone thought along these lines?
Well, yes, you just did :)
But seriously, kidding aside, reasoning based on analogy doesn't generally go very far in quantum mechanics. An analogy explains something by showing how it works similarly to something that is already understood - but QM doesn't work the way the classical world does, so we don't have a pool of already understood concepts to analogize from.

(This might be a good time to remind everyone of the PF policy on speculation and personal theories... This thread is close to the edge)
 
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John Plant said:
In QED the maths suggests that a photon takes all possible paths, and all but one of the paths cancel out leaving the path we observe.
Using this as an analogy:-
The maths of quantum mechanics suggests a vast number of possible universes concurrent with our universe.
Perhaps all these mathematically possible universe cancels out with the others, leaving what we see as the wave function of our universe.

Has anyone thought along these lines?

I would say that your summary of QED is not correct, to start with. Yes, you can describe the mathematics of QED in terms of amplitudes associated with various possibilities, and you get cancellation between different alternatives. But it's not true that the result of the interference only leaves one possibility.
 
The Mathematics of quantum mechanics suggests the 10^500 possible universe. I don't think the reality of these universes is suggested any further than this- I am not aware of any further description of any other universe, other than creative speculation.
I just think it's interesting that maybe all the universes are present as potential realities and what we see as our universe is all these potential universes resolved into our 'reality'.either by cancelling out ,reinforcing or both or something else perhaps.
I simplified my reading of QED as a photon taking all paths and cancelling out leaving the path of shortest distance. Did the photon take all possible paths- who really knows- but the maths says this is a good way to look at how a photon behaves. This was used to explain the origin of my thought and to help describe my imaginings on the multiverse.
 
John Plant said:
The Mathematics of quantum mechanics suggests the 10^500 possible universe.

As I understand things this number is usually associated with String Theory Landscapes not QM.

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John Plant said:
The Mathematics of quantum mechanics suggests the 10^500 possible universe.
You will have to provide some acceptable source for this assertion - that will mean a peer-reviewed paper or citation of an accepted textbook.

This was used to explain the origin of my thought and to help describe my imaginings on the multiverse.
If you're going to use the multiverse as the starting point for your imagining, you'll want to be reasonably confident in your understanding of the MWI first. https://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/manyworlds/pdf/dissertation.pdf, Everett's 1956 dissertation, would be a good start.
 
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