Condition for parallel AC Mains power transformer operation

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The discussion revolves around the conditions for parallel operation of AC mains power transformers, focusing on the requirements for leakage impedance and its relationship with KVA ratings. Participants explore various interpretations of the conditions outlined in textbooks and question the correctness of specific answers provided in a homework context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for load sharing, the per unit leakage impedance must be the same on respective KVA ratings.
  • Another participant questions whether leakage impedance is equivalent to leakage reactance, leading to a discussion about the components of leakage impedance, which includes both reactance and winding resistance.
  • Some participants argue that the conditions for parallel operation include that the leakage impedance must be inversely proportional to KVA rating, while others reference textbook material that suggests different interpretations of the conditions.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the terminology used in the textbook regarding "leakage impedance" versus "leakage reactance" and seeks clarification on whether winding resistance can be considered part of leakage impedance.
  • There is a contention regarding the necessity of the phase angle condition, with some participants believing it is essential for preventing circulating currents, while others argue it is not a strict requirement as long as per unit impedances are equal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the answers provided in the textbook or the necessity of the phase angle condition. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the conditions for parallel transformer operation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources, including textbooks and online materials, to support their claims. There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of leakage impedance and the conditions necessary for safe parallel operation of transformers.

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I think both A and C are right answers.

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1 condition is pu Z(leakage) must be same on respective KVA rating for load sharing.

Now: Zpu = Z(actual)/Z(base) ----equation 1
For Zpu of both transformers to be same, the right side of above equation must be same.
Z(base) is inversely proportional to KVA rating of transformer. -----point 2
Voltage ratio of both transformers is same. This is also condition for parallel operation.
So Zpu is directly proportional to Z(actual) times KVA rating -----from 1 and 2

And since Zpu is same for both transformers on respective base, it means: the right side of equation 1 is also equal for both transformers.
Thus Z(actual) times KVA rating is same for both transformer.
Which means the Z(actual) and KVA rating are inversely proportional (Product is same)
But book has only given C as right answer.
Why is A incorrect?
 

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Is leakage impedance exactly the same as leakage reactance?
 
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Oh yeah. Leakage impedance is leakage reactance (from the flux that doesn't link with both windings) + resistance of winding.
So then A should be right answer. But book has given C has right answer?

Also I checked here:
Test Book Gate Questions:
https://testbook.com/gate-ee-practice/core/electrical-machines-55d3738f2a396532e8890e0b/55b6176bec7b2f64bc042620

Here also the right answer can be B, and C.
i.e Per Unit values of leakage impedance is same on respective rating
and
value of leakage impedance in ohm is inversely proportional to kva rating---> why is this wrong?

But they've said only 1st is right.
 
jaus tail said:
Leakage impedance is leakage reactance (from the flux that doesn't link with both windings) + resistance of winding.
Can you find a reference anywhere that says winding resistance can be considered to be the real component of something called "leakage impedance"? It would be convenient if it were so, and power engineering is noted for stretching approximations out of convenience, though I'm uneasy about renaming winding resistance as "leakage resistance". The following implies it to be so, but I'd like to have it spelled out. http://ecetutorials.com/transformer/conditions-for-parallel-operation-of-transformers/
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Your option (C) uses the word "reactance" whereas the Test Book Gate Question is consistent in using "impedance" in all 3 candidate options.

Option (C) would be approximately true providing that Xs » Rs, and I think for most power transformers this might be true. Can you check on that?
 

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NascentOxygen said:
Can you find a reference anywhere that says winding resistance can be considered to be the real component of something called "leakage impedance"? It would be convenient if it were so, and power engineering is noted for stretching approximations out of convenience, though I'm uneasy about renaming winding resistance as "leakage resistance". The following implies it to be so, but I'd like to have it spelled out. http://ecetutorials.com/transformer/conditions-for-parallel-operation-of-transformers/
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My book says:
the effect of primary resistance can be accounted for by adding a voltage drop equal to Ier1.
And a few paras later: 'x1' is a fictitious quantity introduced to represent effects of primary leakage flux.
Total voltage drop in primary at no load = Ie (r1 + jx1) = Iez1 where z1 is primary leakage impedance.
Your option (C) uses the word "reactance" whereas the Test Book Gate Question is consistent in using "impedance" in all 3 candidate options.


Option (C) would be approximately true providing that Xs » Rs, and I think for most power transformers this might be true. Can you check on that?

Just to be sure, in textbook Gate
https://testbook.com/gate-ee-practice/core/electrical-machines-55d3738f2a396532e8890e0b/55b6176bec7b2f64bc042620?utm_source=affiliate_cuelinks&utm_medium=non-brand&utm_campaign=CPS-Cuelinkshttps://testbook.com/gate-ee-practice/core/electrical-machines-55d3738f2a396532e8890e0b/55b6176bec7b2f64bc042620?utm_source=affiliate_cuelinks&utm_medium=non-brand&utm_campaign=CPS-Cuelinks
, the answer C should also be right, right?

The condition for parallel operation of 2 transformer:
1) same voltage rating V1/ V2 = same.
2) same phase angle i.e. value of X / R should be same.
3) leakage IMPEDANCE(and not only reactance) must be inversely proportional to KVA rating
OR
Leakage IMPEDANCE in p.u. value must be same on respective base
4) and same polarity. Like RYB // with RYB and not RBY
 
jaus tail said:
Just to be sure, in textbook Gate

, the answer C should also be right, right?
Yes, (3). Can you explain why (2) is not also correct?
The condition for parallel operation of 2 transformer:
1) same voltage rating V1/ V2 = same.
2) same phase angle i.e. value of X / R should be same.
(2) is not a requirement, this is explained in the final paragraph of the image I attached in post #4.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
Yes, (3). Can you explain why (2) is not also correct?
I think (2) is also correct. There are multiple right options.

(2) is not a requirement, this is explained in the final paragraph of the image I attached in post #4.
I didn't understand. In post 4, last point, it says that phase angle must be same. So why is this not a requirement? If X/R for both transformers in parallel are different there'd be circulating current which will cause heating of winding and then temperature will rise and boom :D
 
jaus tail said:
I think (2) is also correct. There are multiple right options.
I thought (2) seemed correct, also.
jaus tail said:
In post 4, last point, it says that phase angle must be same.
No, it says it's okay for the phase angles to differ. So long as the magnitudes of their P.U. impedances are equal then parallelled transformers will correctly share the current in proportion to their kVA ratings. But it points out that if you do the maths, you'll see they won't be sharing the load's watts in that same proportion.

So long as the transformer's VA rating is not exceeded, they don't go Boom. Circulating current is the price you pay for improvising with two non-ideal transformers in parallel to save having to buy a new big one.
 
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