Conducting Cylinder vs Cylinder of Charge - Guass's Law

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding Gauss's Law as it applies to two types of cylinders: a conducting cylinder and a cylinder with a fixed volume charge density. Participants seek clarification on the differences between these cylinders, particularly regarding the presence of electric fields and charge densities within them.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that in a conducting cylinder, there is no charge density inside, as the charge resides on the surface, while in a cylinder with a fixed volume charge density, there is charge density throughout the volume.
  • There is a question about how to determine which type of cylinder to use in problem-solving, with a suggestion that the problem statement should explicitly indicate whether it is a conductor.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the use of charge densities, specifically when to use linear charge density (λ) versus volumetric charge density (ρ), with some suggesting that λ is used for infinitely thin wires and ρ for cylinders with finite radius.
  • One participant points out a specific homework problem that uses volumetric charge density (ρ) despite the problem's context suggesting a line charge density (λ), raising questions about the consistency of terminology and application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of charge densities but express uncertainty about their application in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions under which to apply each type of charge density.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion stemming from the use of different charge density symbols and their application in various problem scenarios, indicating a need for clarity in problem statements.

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Homework Statement


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I just have a general question about Gauss's Law and the cylinders above. I don't really understand what the difference is between the 2 cylinders? They are both charged, but one of them does not have an electric field inside the cylinder because it a conducting cylinder? I don't understand the difference between the 2 above.

Homework Equations


Gauss's Law

The Attempt at a Solution


This is just something I wanted clarification on. Hopefully I am posting in the correct place.
 
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In the case of a conductor, there is no charge density inside the cylinder (it would result in an electric field that would drive the charges away - all the charge is on the cylinder surface) and in the other (cylinder of fixed volume charge density) there is a charge density inside the cylinder. Outside the cylinder this results in the same electric field but inside it it does not (as the enclosed charge will be different in the different cases).
 
Orodruin said:
In the case of a conductor, there is no charge density inside the cylinder (it would result in an electric field that would drive the charges away - all the charge is on the cylinder surface) and in the other (cylinder of fixed volume charge density) there is a charge density inside the cylinder. Outside the cylinder this results in the same electric field but inside it it does not (as the enclosed charge will be different in the different cases).
Ok. How will we know which one to deal with when doing problems? Will it have to explicitly say if it's a conductor or not? Or if we are given a charge density rho then we need to use the "cylinder of charge" formulas to solve the rest?

Also, I was a bit confused by the charge densities rho and lamba and when to use which. Do we use lambda for the charge density if and only if we are given a infinetely thin wire or line of charge? And rho when the cylinder or wire has a finite radius? This confuses me because the 2 pictures above show them using lambda which is Q/L, but in a homework problem like this:

"An infinitely long, cylindrical wire of radius R = 1 cm is centered along the ^z axis and carries a uniform volumetric charge density ρ_0." <-- Edit* This is supposed to be the symbol "rho"...

There is more to the problem, but basically it says to use Gauss's law to find the charge density of the wire. But the solutions uses ρ = Q/V instead of λ=Q/L like like we have in the equations above. Why is this? I hope I am making sense in where I am confused...
Here is the whole problem btw:

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I got the correct answer, but I don't understand when we are supposed to use lambda vs rho for the charge density...
 
Marcin H said:
How will we know which one to deal with when doing problems?
Obviously it depends on the problem statement about the setup.

Marcin H said:
Also, I was a bit confused by the charge densities rho and lamba and when to use which. Do we use lambda for the charge density if and only if we are given a infinetely thin wire or line of charge?
They are different physical quantities. The line density ##\lambda## is the charge per length of the cylinder and ##\rho## is the volume density, which is the charge per volume.
 
Orodruin said:
Obviously it depends on the problem statement about the setup.They are different physical quantities. The line density ##\lambda## is the charge per length of the cylinder and ##\rho## is the volume density, which is the charge per volume.
ok thanks
 

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