Confused about the electric field at the surface of a conductor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of the electric field at the surface of a conductor, particularly focusing on the implications of nearby charges and the mathematical representation of the electric field. Participants explore the nature of the electric field components and the response of charges within the conductor.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the electric field at the surface of a conductor has only a normal component equal to ρ /ε, but questions arise regarding the implications of a nearby charge affecting this field.
  • Another participant clarifies that the gradient of the electric field has the stated value and emphasizes that the charges in the conductor will respond to the electric field of nearby charges.
  • A participant challenges the interpretation of the formula E=Kq/r, suggesting that the meaning of "q" needs to be reconsidered in the context of charge density ρ.
  • There is a note that the charge being considered is within the conductor, which may influence the electric field calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the electric field at the surface of a conductor and the effects of nearby charges, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of charges at infinitesimal distances and the interpretation of charge density in the context of the electric field calculations.

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Hi
We know that the electric field at the surface of a conductor only have a normal component equal to ρ /ε (finite number).
But let’s consider the point P (at the surface of a conductor ) . Assume that there is a charge at an infinitesimal distance from the point p . we can obtain the field at the P by the fourmula (E=Kq/r) .obviously, E ~1/r. so the normal component of the field is infinite. Now if we add the field due to other charges, it will remain infinite. So where could I be possibly wrong?
 
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We know that the electric field at the surface of a conductor only have a normal component equal to ρ /ε (finite number).
It's the gradient of the electric field that has that value.

The charges in the conductor will respond to the electric field of the small charge close to the conductor - affecting the way the total field comes out. How do they respond?

Note - at a very small distance from a point charge, the field is not infinite.
If the charge is actually at point P, then it is part of the conductor. Inside a conductor, the charges are infinitesimally small (in this model).
 
parsa7parsa said:
we can obtain the field at the P by the fourmula (E=Kq/r)

You should ask yourself what exactly is "q" in that equation going to be for your capacitor with a given charge density (*cough*) ρ
 
please note that the charge is <within> the conductor
 

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