Confused about Volumetric Flow Rate & Valves?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of volumetric flow rate in the context of incompressible fluids and the role of valves in controlling flow. Participants explore the implications of valve positions on flow rates and head losses, seeking to clarify how flow can be managed through valves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the volumetric flow rate of an incompressible fluid cannot change across a valve, emphasizing mass conservation and the constancy of flow at the inlet and outlet.
  • Another participant counters that a partially closed valve generates more head losses than a fully opened valve, leading to a reduction in flow, thus indicating that flow can indeed change depending on the valve position.
  • A different perspective suggests that while the flow rate may be constant across the valve at different positions, the actual volumetric flow rate can vary, providing examples of flow rates at fully open and half-open positions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the volumetric flow rate remains constant across a valve. There is no consensus on the implications of valve positions on flow rates, indicating an unresolved debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully address the assumptions regarding incompressibility and the specific conditions under which flow rates are measured, leaving some aspects of the discussion open to interpretation.

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I'm new here, and I have a question that might be easy but really confuses me.
Does the volumetric flow rate of incompressible fluid change across a valve?. Based on my analysis, no it can not change since the mass is conserved, and since it's incompressible fluid. I know that the velocity will change within the valve due to change in the area, but at inlet and outlet will be the same. This analysis is even more confusing, if the flow rate is not changing, why would we use a valve? I know that the logic said that the valves are used to control the flow but how?
 
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Valves can be closed to stop the flow entirely. Doesn't that count as controlling the flow?

Obviously, if a valve is opened fully a certain flow will pass thru. If the valve is then partially closed, and no other changes are made to the piping system, can the same flow pass thru the valve? The answer is no; a partially closed valve generates more head losses than a fully opened valve, thus a reduction in flow will result.
 
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Ahm402 said:
This analysis is even more confusing, if the flow rate is not changing, why would we use a valve? I know that the logic said that the valves are used to control the flow but how?
The flow is always constant across the valve under all valve positions, but that doesn't mean it is the same flow at each valve position. For example, fully open, maybe the flow is 10 m^3/hr on both sides of the valve. At half open, it is 5 m^3/hr on both sides of the valve.
 
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Thanks russ_watters for the explanation, that does make sense.
 

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