Volumetric flow rate in a PFR reactor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which the volumetric flow rate (Q) can be considered constant in a plug flow reactor (PFR) for different types of reactions, specifically focusing on gas and liquid phases. Participants explore the implications of stoichiometry and the ideal gas law in relation to changes in the number of moles during reactions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the conditions under which Q can be considered constant, particularly when the stoichiometric coefficients a and b are equal or not.
  • Another participant suggests that the ideal gas law and constant temperature and pressure are necessary for Q to remain constant when the total number of moles does not change.
  • It is proposed that if the change in the total number of moles is very small, Q can still be considered constant even if the total number of moles does change.
  • Participants discuss specific reactions and inquire about the conditions in gas and liquid phases that would allow Q to be treated as constant.
  • It is noted that in gas phase reactions, if the actual change in the number of moles is small, Q can be considered constant, and similarly in liquid phase if the change in specific volume is small.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the conditions necessary for Q to be constant, with some agreeing on the importance of small changes in moles and specific volume, while others raise questions about the applicability of these conditions in different scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generalizability of these conditions across different types of reactions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about ideal behavior in gas phase reactions and the specific conditions under which the changes in moles or specific volume are considered negligible. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in different reaction types.

dRic2
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Hi pf,

I have a reaction ## aA → bB ## in a PFR reactor. The simplest equation to write is:

## \frac {dF_A} {dV} = -R ## where ##F## is the Molar flow rate. ##F = C_A*Q## where ##Q## is the volumetric flow rate and ##C_A## is the molar concentration of A.

My textbooks says that if ##a=b## (the total number of moles doesn't change) ##Q## is constant. I don't understand why, can someone explain me? Moreover, sometimes, in the exercise ##Q## is considered constant even if ##a≠b##...
So my question is: "When ##Q## can be considered constant?

Thank you
Ric
 
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Do they mention that this is for a gas phase reaction ? And the ideal gas law applies ? And the temperature is constant ?
 
If temperature (and pressure) are constant and the total number of moles doesn't change, using ##PV=nRT##, it's clear to me that the volumetric flow is constant.
If temperature (and pressure) are constant but the total number of moles does change I can still consider the volumetric flow as constant if the change in the total number of moles is very small (eg working with ppm).

Now let's a reaction like ##A + E → 2B + C##

In gas phase under which conditions (if possible) ##Q## can be considered constant?
In liquid phase phase under which conditions (if possible) ##Q## can be considered constant?

Thank you
Ric

Ps: I hope my english is good enough
 
dRic2 said:
If temperature (and pressure) are constant and the total number of moles doesn't change, using ##PV=nRT##, it's clear to me that the volumetric flow is constant.
If temperature (and pressure) are constant but the total number of moles does change I can still consider the volumetric flow as constant if the change in the total number of moles is very small (eg working with ppm).

Now let's a reaction like ##A + E → 2B + C##

In gas phase under which conditions (if possible) ##Q## can be considered constant?
Yes, if the actual change in the number of moles is small (e.g., if only a small amount of A is available to react)
In liquid phase phase under which conditions (if possible) ##Q## can be considered constant?
Yes again, if the actual change in the specific volume of the mixture is small.
 
Thank you.
 

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