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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving multiple integrals and substitutions, specifically focusing on the transition between different variables and the implications of those substitutions in the context of integration.

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  • Participants explore the implications of substituting variables in integrals, particularly the substitution of \( t = uv \) and its derivative. There are questions about the correctness of derivatives and the necessity of additional substitutions for solving the integral.

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Participants are actively questioning the steps taken in the substitution process and the resulting integrals. Some guidance has been offered regarding the derivatives and the interpretation of the integrals, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answer.

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There is an emphasis on clarity in notation and the need for detailed steps in the integration process, as some participants express confusion over the transformations and substitutions being used.

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Hello everyone I'm studying for my calc 3 exam and I'm lost how they went from this substitution, my professor did the work.

Here is the problem and the answer under it:
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/606/sssk5.jpg Well he showed the following:1/2* integral 0 to PI/2; integral 0 to 1 u*cos(uv) dv du;

let t = uv;

then he got:

1/2 integral 0 to PI/2 u * 1/u sin(uv); now plug in 0 and 1 and he got:

1/2 * integral 0 to PI/2 sin(u) du = 1/2 cos(u) and plug in PI/2 and 0 and u get 1/2.

But what I'm lost on is, if you let t = uv;

then if you took the derivative of t, with respect to v you would get 0 wouldn't you? or do i take the partial deriviatve? if i took the partial derivative with respect to v, then i would get t = u; which would make sense i think...maybe not
 
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You have x-y=u and x+y=v.

Ok, I'm so lost at how you wrote this stuff.

Try writing integrals as bIa for integrating from b to a, for future reference. And show you du's and dv's because I'll get lost without those going around and other people would get lost too probably.
 
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right but then when you sub u in for x-y and v in for x + y your left with:
u*cos(uv) dv du;

and you have to make another substiution to do that integral, t = uv; which is where I get lost:
t = (x-y)(x+y) ?
t = x^2-y^2;
 
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right but then when you sub u in for x-y and v in for x + y your left with:
u*cos(uv) dv du;

and you have to make another substiution to do that integral, t = uv; which is where I get lost:
t = (x-y)(x+y) ?
t = x^2-y^2;

You don't absolutely need a substitution to do that integral but if you can see it better by making one then if you have t=uv, then dt=udv. And you have the integral of cos(t)dt
 
mr_coffee said:
if you let t = uv;

then if you took the derivative of t, with respect to v you would get 0 wouldn't you?

No, it's not zero.

dt/dv = u
 
Thanks guys,

now i have

t = uv;
dt/dv = u dv;

cos(t) integral of that is sin(t), sub back in t = uv; and u get:
sin(uv) now plug in 1 and 0 for v and your left with:
integral 0 to PI/2 sin(u) du; but isn't the integral of sin(u) = -cos(u)?

so wouldn't it be -1/2 as the naswer not 1/2?

I understand u*1/u = 1; But when I did it, I didn't use that step at all to get sin(uv) after the subbing

He had a step which I didn't quite understand..he said:

1/2 integral 0 to PI/2 u*1/u sin(uv) du
 

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