Confusion over 2nd law and conservation of momentum

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of conservation of momentum and how it applies to a moving cart with added weight. It is explained that the cart will slow down due to the added weight, but can also accelerate if the weight is added at the same speed as the cart. The conversation also mentions a similar scenario involving a figure skater and how they can accelerate without any torque. Finally, the conversation touches on the concept of removing the added weight and how the method of removal may affect the acceleration.
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steven george
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Hi everybody, I apologize if something like this has been asked before but I have been unable to find an answer through searching.

If a weight is carefully added to a moving cart then the cart should slow down due to conservation of momentum. How is it that the cart has accelerated without a horizontal force?

This issue originally came up while discussing rotational motion. If a figure skater is spinning and brings his hands in he will speed up. How can he accelerate without any torque?

There must be something very basic that I am missing here, so thank you to anybody who can help with an answer.
 
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steven george said:
If a weight is carefully added to a moving cart then the cart should slow down due to conservation of momentum.
It depends on how the weight is added. I'll guess: You add things at zero speed relative to the ground.
steven george said:
How is it that the cart has accelerated without a horizontal force?
There is a force between cart and new weight, speeding up the weight to match the speed of the car. The new weight accelerates forwards, the remaining cart accelerates backwards..
 
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mfb said:
It depends on how the weight is added. I'll guess: You add things at zero speed relative to the ground.There is a force between cart and new weight, speeding up the weight to match the speed of the car. The new weight accelerates forwards, the remaining cart accelerates backwards..

I knew there must be a simple answer. Thanks for that. Now, what if that weight is taken off by carefully lifting it straight up?
 
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What do you mean by "carefully"? The answer may depend on this.
 
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