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The discussion revolves around confusion in transposing the formula y = 1/2x to isolate x, with the participant arriving at x = 2y instead of the expected x = 1/2y. Clarifications highlight that the correct manipulation involves multiplying both sides by 2, leading to 2y = x. Participants emphasize the importance of following consistent algebraic rules, such as adding or multiplying both sides of an equation equally. The conversation also touches on the necessity of understanding the differences in structure between various equations when transposing. Overall, the key takeaway is the importance of applying algebraic principles correctly to avoid errors in solving for variables.
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Hello I'm working through transposing formulae of pearsons Anthony Croft and Robert Davidson's foundation maths 5th edition and I'm stuck on exercise 10.1 question 1)e)
We're it states that I must transpose the formula to make x the subject.
The formula is y = ¹/₂x and the answer x = ¹/₂y
I don't understand how they got this answer. As I did the working as
E)y = 1/2x
× 2
(2)(y) = ⁽¹⁾/₍₂₎x × ⁽²⁾/₍₁₎
2y = x
I base this way of a working off another question which I got correct
D)y = (¹)/(₂)(x - 7)
+ 7
y + 7 = ¹/₂x
× 2
(2)(y + 7) = ⁽¹⁾/₍₂₎x × ⁽²⁾/₍₁₎
2y + 14 = x
x = 2y + 14
If I am missing some rule that I'm meant to implement or if there is a error in the textbook your advise would be greatly appreciated.
Yours sincerely Buggsy
 
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Buggsy GC said:
E)y = 1/2x
× 2
(2)(y) = ⁽¹⁾/₍₂₎x × ⁽²⁾/₍₁₎
2y = x
That is correct.
D)y = (¹)/(₂)(x - 7)
+ 7
y + 7 = ¹/₂x
That step is incorrect at the right side.

Try x=7 and see if you can find a value for y such that both the initial and the final formula are right.
Buggsy GC said:
The formula is y = ¹/₂x and the answer x = ¹/₂y
That does not make sense.
 
If ##y = \frac{1}{2x}## then ##x = \frac{1}{2y}## is correct.

Try ##x = 1## for example.
 
I didn't expect x and y to be in the denominator.
 
I know but look
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Pardon me Perok can you take a picture of your working and post it, for some reason your post shows up on my screen as a bunch of hashtags and letters.
Thank you
 
Buggsy GC said:
Pardon me Perok can you take a picture of your working and post it, for some reason your post shows up on my screen as a bunch of hashtags and letters.
Thank you
I'm sorry to tell you I did it in my head!
 
Hint: multiply by ##x## to start.
 
So it look like this https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/108916
Ok second question how did you know to start with x not to just repeat the same action I used to get rid of the 1/2x in question d)
We're the answer was x =2y + 14 were the original formula was y = ¹/₂x - 7
 
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Buggsy GC said:
So it look like this https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/108916
Ok second question how did you know to start with x not to just repeat the same action I used to get rid of the 1/2x in question d)
We're the answer was x =2y + 14 were the original formula was y = ¹/₂x - 7
That last equation is very different. That is

##y = \frac{x}{2} - 7##
 
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I'm sorry this taking a while but can tell me is there a rule I should remember or an order of operation when rearranging formulas as I' m getting different answers depending on how I start to balance the equation even if I balance both sides all the way through
 
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Question e) and d) 10.1
 
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Buggsy GC said:
I'm sorry this taking a while but can tell me is there a rule I should remember or an order of operation when rearranging formulas as I' m getting different answers depending on how I start to balance the equation even if I balance both sides all the way through

That simply means you are making a mistake. There are no rules except you can: a) add the same thing to both sides of the equation; or, b) multiply both sides of the equation by the same thing. That same thing can be a number, such as ##2## a parameter, such as ##a##, or a variable, such as ##x##.

For example:

##y = ax + b##

##y-b = ax## (added ##-b## to both sides, which is the same thing as subtracting ##b##)

##\frac{y-b}{a} = x## (multiplied both sides by ##\frac{1}{a}##, which is the same as dividing by ##a##)

Another example is:

##y = \frac{1}{x}##

##xy = 1## (muliplied both sides by ##x##)

##x = \frac{1}{y}## (divided both sides by ##y##)
 

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