Confusion with Einstein tensor notation

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The discussion revolves around the notation and manipulation of tensors in the context of the Einstein convention, specifically focusing on the equation \(\Lambda \eta \Lambda^{-1} = \eta\). Participants express confusion regarding the representation and contraction of tensors, particularly the metric tensor \(\eta\) and the transformation matrices \(\Lambda\) and \(\Lambda^{-1}\).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to express the equation in tensor notation, questioning the apparent lack of distinction between \(\Lambda\) and \(\Lambda^{-1}\). They discuss the implications of contracting the metric tensor \(\eta\) with both forms of \(\Lambda\) and seek clarity on how to arrive at the stated result.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants actively seeking to understand the mechanics of tensor contraction and the implications of the notation used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of indices, but no consensus has been reached on the clarity of the notation or the reasoning behind the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of working with the metric tensor in different forms and the potential confusion arising from the notation of transformation matrices. There is an acknowledgment of the need for clarity in the representation of tensors and their inverses.

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Homework Statement



I'm confused about writing down the equation: \Lambda \eta \Lambda^{-1} = \eta in the Einstein convention.

Homework Equations



The answer is: \eta_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho}\Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\sigma} = \eta_{\rho\sigma}

However it's strange because there seems to be no distinction between \Lambda and \Lambda^{-1} if we write it this way.
However we know that:

(\Lambda^{-1})^{\mu}{}_{\nu} = \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu}

The Attempt at a Solution



If the equation was instead \Lambda B \Lambda^{-1} = B

Where B is a tensor given in the form B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} then it's clear to me how to write it:

\Lambda^{\rho}{}_{\mu} B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} \Lambda_{\sigma}{}^{\nu} = B^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}

But \eta is given in the form \eta^{\mu\nu} and I don't understand how I can contract it with both \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} and \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu} in order to arrive eventually at the result quoted in (2).
 
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Loro said:

Homework Statement



I'm confused about writing down the equation: \Lambda \eta \Lambda^{-1} = \eta in the Einstein convention.

Homework Equations



The answer is: \eta_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho}\Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\sigma} = \eta_{\rho\sigma}

However it's strange because there seems to be no distinction between \Lambda and \Lambda^{-1} if we write it this way.
However we know that:

(\Lambda^{-1})^{\mu}{}_{\nu} = \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu}

The Attempt at a Solution



If the equation was instead \Lambda B \Lambda^{-1} = B

Where B is a tensor given in the form B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} then it's clear to me how to write it:

\Lambda^{\rho}{}_{\mu} B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} \Lambda_{\sigma}{}^{\nu} = B^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}

But \eta is given in the form \eta^{\mu\nu} and I don't understand how I can contract it with both \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} and \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu} in order to arrive eventually at the result quoted in (2).

Is there an actual question? :-p

So, your confusion is how (2) works?
 
Haha sorry :-p

I would like to know why (2) works, and possibly how I could arrive at it, starting from an expression that has both \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} and \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu}.
 
Loro said:

Homework Statement



I'm confused about writing down the equation: \Lambda \eta \Lambda^{-1} = \eta in the Einstein convention.

Homework Equations



The answer is: \eta_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\rho}\Lambda^{\nu}{}_{\sigma} = \eta_{\rho\sigma}

However it's strange because there seems to be no distinction between \Lambda and \Lambda^{-1} if we write it this way.
However we know that:

(\Lambda^{-1})^{\mu}{}_{\nu} = \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu}

The Attempt at a Solution



If the equation was instead \Lambda B \Lambda^{-1} = B

Where B is a tensor given in the form B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} then it's clear to me how to write it:

\Lambda^{\rho}{}_{\mu} B^{\mu}{}_{\nu} \Lambda_{\sigma}{}^{\nu} = B^{\rho}{}_{\sigma}

But \eta is given in the form \eta^{\mu\nu} and I don't understand how I can contract it with both \Lambda^{\mu}{}_{\nu} and \Lambda_{\nu}{}^{\mu} in order to arrive eventually at the result quoted in (2).

Well, just raise the ##\mu## index and lower the ##\rho## index on the first ##\Lambda## in your form with the B tensor using the metric tensor.
 
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Thanks,

Like that: ?

\Lambda_{\rho}{}^{\mu} \eta_{\mu}{}_{\nu} \Lambda_{\sigma}{}^{\nu} = \eta_{\rho}{}_{\sigma}

But then again both \Lambda's are of the same form - this time they both seem to be inverses.
 

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