Connected components of a manifold

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter quasar987
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Components Manifold
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the properties of connected components in topological manifolds, specifically addressing whether these components are open sets within the manifold. Participants explore the implications of being Hausdorff and locally Euclidean on the openness of connected components, comparing this to general topological spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that connected components of a manifold are open, noting that this is not true in general topological spaces.
  • Another participant proposes that if U is a connected component of the manifold, then for each point x in U, there exists an open neighborhood V_x diffeomorphic to a Euclidean ball contained in U, suggesting that U is open.
  • Contrarily, a participant claims that connected components are both open and closed in general topological spaces, asserting that this holds true for manifolds as well.
  • A counterexample involving the rational numbers is presented, where the connected components are singletons that are not open in the space of rational numbers.
  • Further reasoning is provided regarding the existence of coordinate neighborhoods and their implications for connectedness, leading to a contradiction if such neighborhoods did not exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the openness of connected components in manifolds and general topological spaces, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the definitions of connectedness and the properties of manifolds that are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical reasoning.

quasar987
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
Gold Member
Messages
4,796
Reaction score
32
I got this book here that mentions en passant that the connected components of a (topological) manifold are open in the manifold.

That's not true in a general topological space, so why does Hausdorff + locally euclidean implies it?

I don't see it.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
quasar987 said:
I got this book here that mentions en passant that the connected components of a (topological) manifold are open in the manifold.

That's not true in a general topological space, so why does Hausdorff + locally euclidean implies it?

I don't see it.

Let U be a connected component of the manifold. For each x in U, let V_x be an open nbd of x diffeomorphic to a Euclidean ball such that V_x is contained in U. Then U is the union of all such V_x's and hence is open.
 
quasar987 said:
I got this book here that mentions en passant that the connected components of a (topological) manifold are open in the manifold.

That's not true in a general topological space, so why does Hausdorff + locally euclidean implies it?

I don't see it.

On the contrary, connectedness components are open in a general topological space. In fact, they are both open and closed! And the same is true of connectedness components of manifolds.
 
HallsofIvy said:
On the contrary, connectedness components are open in a general topological space. In fact, they are both open and closed! And the same is true of connectedness components of manifolds.

As a counterexample, consider the connected components of the rational numbers. These are the singetons {r} with r rational. These are not open in Q.


Doodle Bob said:
Let U be a connected component of the manifold. For each x in U, let V_x be an open nbd of x diffeomorphic to a Euclidean ball such that V_x is contained in U. Then U is the union of all such V_x's and hence is open.

I see. If such a coordinate nbhd V_x did not exist, then there would be a coordinate nbdh W_x homeomorphic to a euclidean ball, with W_x \cap M\C \neq \emptyset. Since the open ball is path connected, it would mean that W_x is too. And C is locally path connected and connected, so it is path connected. So C\cup W_x is path connected, hence connected, which is a contradiction with the fact that C is not properly contained in any connected subset of M.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 44 ·
2
Replies
44
Views
7K
  • · Replies 20 ·
Replies
20
Views
4K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
9K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
7K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K