Conservation Laws (Linear & Angulat Momentum)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation laws of linear and angular momentum, particularly in the context of electrostatics and specific examples involving charged objects. Participants seek to clarify the conditions under which each type of momentum is conserved and how to identify these conditions in various scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining which components of linear or angular momentum are conserved and requests guidance on identifying these components.
  • Another participant asks for a specific example to clarify the confusion regarding conservation laws.
  • A hypothetical scenario involving an infinitely charged cylinder with a finite gap is introduced, but its relevance to conservation of momentum is questioned by another participant.
  • A suggestion is made that linear momentum is conserved in directions without applied forces, while angular momentum is conserved in directions without applied torques.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding the use of potential energy in electrostatics to identify directions of conserved linear momentum, noting that this approach may not apply in curvilinear coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the relevance of the example provided or the clarity of the conservation laws. Multiple viewpoints and approaches to understanding conservation of momentum are present, indicating ongoing debate and exploration.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of conservation laws in specific scenarios, as well as limitations regarding the use of coordinate systems in analyzing momentum conservation.

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As we are being introduced to this new lesson, it gets difficult sometimes to indicate which component of either (linear or angular momentum) is conserved.
Is there a strict rule to help me indicate which is which? Hmm, if not, can you give me the logical way through it?

Thanks in advance,
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Can you give a specific example of what's confusing you?
 
Hmm, let's suppose we have an infinetly charged cylinder except a FINITE gap as in the photo.
But as in general, how do you think about it?
 

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Sorry, but I don't see what your example has to do with conservation of momentum.
 
Doc Al,
As any problem, what components [linear or angular momentum ones] will stay conserved as a point charge moves in the field of a volume charged cylinder except the gap (see figure).

Thanks anyways.
 
Linear momentum will be conserved in the directions in which there aren't any applied forces, and angular momentum will be conserved in the directions in which there aren't any applied torques.

Here's a suggestion in the case of electrostatics: try writing down the potential for the system and inspecting it for dependency on the coordinates. Since (electrostatic) force is the gradient of the potential, the directions that conserve linear momentum will be the ones whose coordinates fail to appear in the potential. (Because if they did, there would be a nonzero derivative with respect to them, which means there would be a force in that direction.)

I should mention that a mathematician would scold me at this point: that suggestion won't work in curvilinear coordinates (cylindrical coordinates, say), so you'd have to use Cartesian coordinates in this case.
 

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