Conservation of energy during compression?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy during the compression of air in compressors, focusing on the work done, heat transfer, and the thermodynamic principles involved in the process. Participants explore equations and methods to quantify energy changes during adiabatic and isobaric processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mike in Plano questions how to determine the distribution of work done in compressing air between elevating pressure and waste heat.
  • Bob S mentions that the topic falls under thermodynamics and references the adiabatic process equation for ideal gases.
  • A participant suggests calculating work done during adiabatic compression and subtracting energy lost during isobaric cooling.
  • Another participant proposes using an energy balance equation for an open system to analyze the compressor's performance, detailing terms for work, heat, enthalpy, and mass flow rate.
  • Mike expresses an understanding of how to calculate mass flow rate and enthalpy changes to estimate work done during compression.
  • A later reply introduces a definition of efficiency based on the ratio of enthalpy changes in adiabatic versus isentropic processes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various approaches and equations related to the problem, but no consensus is reached on a single method or solution. Multiple viewpoints on how to analyze the energy changes during compression remain evident.

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Participants rely on assumptions regarding ideal gas behavior and the applicability of specific thermodynamic equations. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of real gas behavior or the impact of non-ideal conditions.

Mike_In_Plano
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Hello,

I have a quick question regarding what goes on in air compressors.

When air is compressed, I understand that we're doing a couple of things:
1. Squeezing a mass rate of air from one pressure to another - which takes work
2. Imparting heat to the gas stream - again part of doing the work.

My question is, what equations would you use to determine how much of the work went towards elevating the pressure and how much was expended as waste heat when compressing air and then cooling it back to its original temperature?

Thanks,

Mike in Plano
 
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That's an entire branch of physics.
Thermodynamics.
 
So, I'm guessing that the best way to approach this problem is to determine the work done when performing the adiabatic compression and subtract the energy lost during the isobaric cooling?
 
This is a problem that can be solved best with a basic energy balance on an open system(your compressor).

rate of energy out - rate of energy in = W + Q
[tex]\dot{m}[/tex]([tex]\Delta[/tex]H +[tex]\Delta[/tex][tex]u^{2}[/tex]/2+g[tex]\Delta[/tex]h)= W+Q

W=work rate(power)
Q=heat
H=enthalpy at some T&P
u=average fluid velocity(could be turbulent could be laminar)
h=height
[tex]\dot{m}[/tex]=mass flowrate

if your compressor is adiabatic Q=0
more than likely the potential and kinetic terms are negligible

to get a strong estimate of the work rate of the compressor:
W = [tex]\dot{m}[/tex][tex]\Delta[/tex]H
 
Wow,

Thanks Hydrogen.

So, I just need to get an idea of my mass flow rate from the CFM at STP and gas density. Then, I can pull get the enthalpy for the start and end conditions from my gas tables. Use the delta for my enthalpy to compute the rate of work done from one end to the other.

As for the efficiency of the system, I'm thinking the overall work done is the resulting differential energy (from the delta-h)m divided by the work done during the adiabatic compression?
 
(delta H)/(delta H)s= the efficiency where subscript s means the delta H for the isoentropic process this is a definition of efficiency.
 
Thanks Hydrogen,

Your a champ :)

- Mike
 

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