Conservation of Energy on Inclined Plane

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The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the equation 1/2kx^2 = mgh, which relates the potential energy of a spring to gravitational potential energy. It emphasizes that both forms of energy cannot be zero simultaneously, as energy is conserved and one must be at a maximum when the other is at a minimum. The participants clarify that the equation represents energy at different points in a system, with the left side reflecting the spring's energy and the right side representing gravitational energy at a height. The importance of defining reference points and the relationship between compression distance (x) and height (h) is highlighted. Understanding these concepts is crucial for grasping the conservation of energy in this context.
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Hi, I am confused about something.

I understand how one gets the equation 1/2kx^2=mgh, and so if 1/2kx^2=0, then mgh=0, but this doesn't make sense to me. Isn't it true the energy is converted, so it's impossible to have both equal zero? One could equal zero, and the other would be at a max, or vice versa on the other end of the spectrum, but not BOTH equal zero?
 
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It would be nice to tell us what you are talking about!

I assume that you have a spring since you have "1/2 k x<sup>2</sup>", the work necessary to compress a spring a distance x from its equilibrium position and so the potential energy there (relative to at the equilibrium position). Clearly mgh is the potential energy due to height h above some reference point. You say "I understand how one gets the equation 1/2kx^2=mgh" but I don't even understand what it MEANS since you haven't told us where the reference point is or how x is connected to h.
 
in the equation: .5kx^2=mgh, notice that both of these energies are not for the initial or the final point, the left side is the energy of the start point that we only got spring, and the right side is mgh, which is in the final place and there is no spring...
i hope I've understood your question correctly..
 
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...

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