Conservation of mass and energy

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Matter is not always conserved due to phenomena like matter/anti-matter annihilation. Mass is also not always conserved; for instance, heating a substance can alter its rest mass. Energy, however, is generally conserved, but this principle requires considering all forms of energy and transformations, such as those described by E=mc^2. While rest mass is not conserved due to particle interactions, invariant mass remains conserved across different frames of reference. Overall, the broader concept of mass-energy conservation is key in understanding these principles.
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Hmm, I
s matter always conserved?
Is mass always conserved?
Is rest-mass always conserved?
Is energy always conserved?

are there any exceptions?
 
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noobphysicist said:
Is matter always conserved?

No - matter/anti-matter annihilation and creation.

noobphysicist said:
Is mass always conserved?

No ... see above.

noobphysicist said:
Is rest-mass always conserved?

No ... you can change the rest mass of a pile of potatoes by heating them.

noobphysicist said:
Is energy always conserved?

Yes - but you need to take into account all forms of energy, and transformations such as E=mc^2.
With the possible exception of General Relativity ... but if GR does not apply then energy is conserved.
 
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UltrafastPED said:
No - matter/anti-matter annihilation and creation.



No ... see above.


I just found that mass is conserved because mass equals energy divided by c^2, and energy is always conserved, no?
 
noobphysicist said:
I just found that mass is conserved because mass equals energy divided by c^2, and energy is always conserved, no?

The more general conservation law here is the conservation of mass-energy, not just mass, not just energy.

Zz.
 
noobphysicist said:
I just found that mass is conserved because mass equals energy divided by c^2, and energy is always conserved, no?

No - mass has energy, but energy does not necessarily have mass.

For example, light has no mass, but does have energy.

Nor does kinetic energy contribute to the mass:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy–momentum_relation
 
The OP asked if mass is conserved and if rest mass is conserved. Mass is often taken to mean the same thing as rest mass, but in this context, you could also interpret mass to mean invariant mass. Rest-mass is not conserved because of particle creation/annihilation, but invariant mass is conserved (at least, not counting any general relativity weirdness). This is because a pair of photons traveling in opposite directions has a combined invariant mass.

In fact, invariant mass is independent of observer frame, so I think it should be conserved even in GR, since the problems of parallel transport do not apply.
 
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