Conserving Lorentz Invariant Momentum in Particle Collisions

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The discussion centers around the concept of Lorentz invariant momentum in the context of particle collisions, specifically focusing on the annihilation of an electron and a positron. Participants explore how to describe momentum in a way that maintains Lorentz invariance during such interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether there is a way to describe a particle's momentum that is Lorentz invariant, particularly during the annihilation of an electron and a positron.
  • Another participant explains that while the total 3-momentum of a closed system is conserved, the total 4-momentum is also conserved, and its magnitude (the invariant mass) is Lorentz invariant.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the momentum of an electron is not Lorentz invariant, as it changes from zero when at rest to a non-zero value when in motion, indicating that momentum depends on the state of motion.
  • This participant introduces the concept of the stress-energy tensor and continuity equations to describe momentum conservation in a continuous system, suggesting a more fluid-like approach rather than treating matter as discrete particles.
  • The continuity equations are presented as a means to express local conservation of energy and momentum in both orthonormal and arbitrary coordinate systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of momentum in relation to Lorentz invariance. While some agree on the conservation of 4-momentum and its invariant mass, others argue that momentum itself is not Lorentz invariant and depends on the state of motion of the particle. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of momentum and the conditions under which Lorentz invariance is considered. The discussion also touches on the mathematical representation of conservation laws without resolving the intricacies involved.

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Hi, All,

First time post, and this is quite possibly a very basic question: Is there a way to describe a particle's momentum such that the momentum itself is Lorentz invariant? The reason I am asking is this: As I understand it, if for example an electron and a positron were to collide and thus annihilate, such annihilation must (among other things) conserve momentum. What I'm looking for is a way to describe this momentum as it "carries though" the annihilation in such away that it is Lorentz invariant. Thank you so much!

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MetaJoe said:
Hi, All,

First time post, and this is quite possibly a very basic question: Is there a way to describe a particle's momentum such that the momentum itself is Lorentz invariant? The reason I am asking is this: As I understand it, if for example an electron and a positron were to collide and thus annihilate, such annihilation must (among other things) conserve momentum. What I'm looking for is a way to describe this momentum as it "carries though" the annihilation in such away that it is Lorentz invariant. Thank you so much!

MetaJoe
Hi Al and welcome to the forum.

Since the total 3-momentum of any closed system is conserved it follows that the total 4-momentum is also conserved. The magnitude of this 4-vector (the "invariant mass") is Lorentz invariant. For details please see

http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/invariant_mass.htm

Pete
 
If an electron is at rest, it will have no momentum. If an electron is moving, it will have a non-zero momentum.

The difference between a moving electron and a stationary electron is just a Lorentz boost.

Therfore we do not expect the momentum of an electron to be Lorentz invariant - we expect it to change from zero when it is at rest to a non-zero value when we "boost" it.

The length of the enregy momentum 4-vector is an invariant as Pete says, however - it is the electron's rest mass.

In addition to the invariant rest mass, one can also write for a system a set of equations that represents the conservation of momentum, expressed in terms of the stress-energy tensor. These are known as the continuity equations.

The stress-energy tensor treats matter as a fluid, not as a collection of point particles. Therfore one sees laws that are similar to the laws of hydrodynamics, rather than laws written for a set of discrete particles.

The total momentum of a continuous system can be represented by

[tex]P^i = \int_V T^{i0} dV[/tex]

where dV is an infinitesimal volume element expressed as a vector, and [itex]T^{ij}[/itex] is the stress-energy tensor.

A vector-valued volume element is just a 4-vector that is perpendicular to all spatial vectors in the volume element, and has a magnitude that's proportional to the volume.

The continuity equations

[tex]\frac{\partial T^{i0}}{d x^0} + \frac{\partial T^{i1}}{d x^1} + \frac{\partial T^{i2}}{d x^2} + \frac{\partial T^{i3}}{dx^3} = 0[/tex]

can be regarded as a set of 4 equations (i=0,1,2,3) which represent the local conservation of energy and momentum.

The above equations are written for an orthonormal cartesian coordinate system. (Note that in such a cartesian coordinate system, the vector-valued volume element dV is just the time vector multipled by the volume element).

For an arbitrary coordinate system, one must replace the partial derivative [itex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}[/itex] with the covariant derivative [itex]\nabla_j[/itex]

This gives the continuity equation in general coordinates as

[tex]\nabla_a T^{ab} = 0[/tex]
 
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Thank you very much. These were quite helpful responses.
 

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