Construction of a magnetic field over radioactive waste

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using magnetic fields to mitigate the dangers associated with radioactive waste, particularly in the context of nuclear power plants. Participants explore the feasibility and effectiveness of such an approach, referencing the properties of different types of radiation and the nature of magnetic fields.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that magnetic fields could potentially shield nuclear power plants from harmful radiation, drawing a parallel to how Earth's magnetic field protects against solar flares.
  • Another participant counters that radioactive waste primarily consists of neutral particles, which cannot be deflected by magnetic fields, and highlights that the radiation from incidents like Chernobyl was not charged.
  • Concerns are raised about the types of radiation emitted from radioactive materials, including gamma rays and neutrons, which require different forms of shielding than what magnetic fields can provide.
  • Participants discuss the limited penetration of alpha and beta particles, noting that they are not a significant threat unless ingested, while emphasizing the need for dense shielding against neutrons and gamma rays.
  • Feasibility issues regarding the creation of sufficiently strong magnetic fields are mentioned, with one participant questioning the practicality of such an approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of magnetic fields in protecting against radiation from nuclear waste. There is no consensus on whether magnetic fields could provide any benefit in this context, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for understanding the nature of radiation and the limitations of magnetic fields in shielding against various types of radiation. The discussion also touches on the importance of containing radioactive materials to prevent environmental contamination.

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Hi all,

Was reading articles on neutron stars and black holes when I started thinking about magnetic fields. I think it is a fact that magnetic shields on Earth block out the harmful radioactive solar flares that come from the sun. So in the article i was reading it mentioned something about scientists being able to make magnetic fields but none as strong as that of a neutron star's.

So i was thinking if they can make large enough magnetic fields to cover that of a nuclear power plant or a nuclear waste dump or whatever then why don't they. As it is proven that humans can safely pass through them by the mere fact that we have a space station i don't see why you couldn't put one over a power plant to reduce the already quite slim chances of an accident like Chernobyl happening again.

Thanks
 
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The reason solar flares can be mitigated by the Earths magnetic field is because they are charged particles. Radioactive waste, for the most part, is not. In incident like Chernobyl, the explosion released large amounts of radioactive material into the surrounding area. This materials was not ionized, and therefor was neutral, not charged, and could not have been stopped by any magnetic field.

Also, you may have a misunderstanding of what radiation is. I suggest reading the following article and following some of the links there to find out more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation
 
I eat Comets said:
Hi all,

Was reading articles on neutron stars and black holes when I started thinking about magnetic fields. I think it is a fact that magnetic shields on Earth block out the harmful radioactive solar flares that come from the sun. So in the article i was reading it mentioned something about scientists being able to make magnetic fields but none as strong as that of a neutron star's.

So i was thinking if they can make large enough magnetic fields to cover that of a nuclear power plant or a nuclear waste dump or whatever then why don't they. As it is proven that humans can safely pass through them by the mere fact that we have a space station i don't see why you couldn't put one over a power plant to reduce the already quite slim chances of an accident like Chernobyl happening again.

Thanks

This is puzzling. If a radioactive plant also emits gamma rays and neutrons, how would the presence of large magnetic field do anything?

And this is ignoring the feasibility of creating such a large magnetic field in the first place.

Zz.
 
@ I eat Comets

You are basically comparing two different scenarios.
The Earth's magnetic field operates over a vast distance and deflects a whole range of fast charged particles from the Sun. It also causes them to spiral and this increases their path through the atmosphere - causing them to lose energy, slowly along the path before they get down to the ground.
Emitted charged particles are not a problem with radioactive waste - Alpha particles only travel a few cm in air and Beta Particles (fast electrons) are also quickly absorbed. Screening is needed to cope with neutrons and gamma rays which don't arrive in deadly quantities from outer space. As mentioned above, it's the nasty radioactive isotopes that need to be contained for thousands of years, in some cases (there will be some of these on the Sun but it doesn't affect us!). Keeping the waste cool is also important so that the nasty stuff doesn't boil off into the atmosphere.
 
Yes radioactivity I am going to have to look into so thanks for the link. @ ZapperZ isn't it the radioactive rays that are dangerous? Maybe not i don't know? Thanks anyway i was just wondering.
 
I eat Comets said:
Yes radioactivity I am going to have to look into so thanks for the link. @ ZapperZ isn't it the radioactive rays that are dangerous? Maybe not i don't know? Thanks anyway i was just wondering.

When a particle decays and releases radiation it can release one of several types of particles. Alpha and Beta particles are charged particles that don't penetrate very far through materials. They are only dangerous if the radioactive material gets into your body before it decays, such as inhaling Radon gas or ingesting radioactive Iodine. Neutrons are particles that are uncharged, which allows them to penetrate a large amount of material before being stopped. Gamma Rays are simply extremely high energy light that can penetrate a lot of material as well. Both Neutrons and Gamma rays are capable of harming you at a good distance from the decaying material and both require lots of dense shielding to mitigate. Neither of them can be stopped by magnetic fields either.

Also, as I said in my first post, one of the most dangerous things is for the radioactive material to escape into the environment before it decays. This is what happened in the Fukushima incident early last year. A magnetic field would not stop this from happening either, as the atoms are all neutral.
 

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