Contracting dummy indices tensors

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of contraction in tensors, where if a superscript and subscript are the same, they are summed over and do not need to appear on both sides of the equation. The subscripts and superscripts have opposite transformation properties and can only be contracted with each other. The Einstein summation convention is also mentioned, where a variable name occurring in both upper and lower index positions implies a summation over all possible values of that variable. The number of equations in a formula can be reduced by using additional information, such as symmetry of tensors.
  • #1
whatisreality
290
1

Homework Statement


We've been told there's this operation called 'contraction' where if you have a superscript and a subscript that are the same they cancel. I don't understand how that works, partly in the sense that we haven't got round to what the superscripts and subscripts actually mean, and partly because at first, having a superscript and subscript that were repeated meant summing over that index. So I'm not sure now when something has to be summed over and when you can just drop them... it came up in the context of this question:

Given that ##S_{\mu\nu}^{\mu} T^{\nu\rho}_{\rho\sigma} = U_{\sigma}##

How many terms are in each equation on spacetime (i.e. 4 for dimensions)?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


If all those indices that are the same can be contracted then I'm left with just ##T_{\sigma} = U_{\sigma}## which is a very reasonable looking equation but there'd only be one term in each equation (and four equations). So which indices are the ones I can't actually contract? Is it the ##\nu## that doesn't go away because it's attached to different tensors? Because in our lecture notes there is an example where the ##\mu## in ##S^{\mu}T_{\mu}## gets contracted.

Thank you for any help, I really appreciate it. :)
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
whatisreality said:
the same they cancel
They do not cancel, but they are summed over. This means that they do not need to appear on both sides of the equation. You cannot just take the indices away from the tensor components.

The sub- vs superscript has to do with what basis vectors you are using (or, more precisely, if you are dealing with a vector in the tangent space or in its dual - this might depend on your level). This is the reason that you can only contract subscripts with superscripts. The subscripts and superscripts have the opposite transformation properties, so the end result is going to have the appropriate transformation properties given by the free indices.

The contraction ##S_\mu T^\mu## is just the product of a dual vector with a tangent vector, which is a scalar. Scalars do not transform and so the contraction does have the right transformation properties.
 
  • Like
Likes whatisreality
  • #3
Have they taught you the Einstein summation convention, which is that, where a variable name (ie letter) occurs both in an upper and a lower index position in a formula, there is an implied summation of the formula over all possible values of that variable?

I don't like the use of the word 'cancel', as it seems to me to imply the wrong thing. We certainly can't just erase the matched indices! What we can say is that we regard any variable names that have a match of the above type and hence generate an implied sum as bound variables, which means they are summed over. So if a formula has ##n## 'free' (ie unbound) variables in index positions, it actually specifies ##k^n## scalar equations where ##k## is the number of dimensions of the manifold - which will be four in General Relativity.

In some cases the number of equations can be further reduced by using additional information, such as symmetry of some of the tensors, but ##k^n## is the starting number.
 
  • Like
Likes whatisreality and Orodruin
  • #4
Orodruin said:
They do not cancel, but they are summed over. This means that they do not need to appear on both sides of the equation. You cannot just take the indices away from the tensor components.

The sub- vs superscript has to do with what basis vectors you are using (or, more precisely, if you are dealing with a vector in the tangent space or in its dual - this might depend on your level). This is the reason that you can only contract subscripts with superscripts. The subscripts and superscripts have the opposite transformation properties, so the end result is going to have the appropriate transformation properties given by the free indices.

The contraction ##S_\mu T^\mu## is just the product of a dual vector with a tangent vector, which is a scalar. Scalars do not transform and so the contraction does have the right transformation properties.
All right, I need to look into that properly. We haven't discussed what a contraction actually is yet. What about the contraction ##S_{\nu}T^{\nu}_{\sigma}##? I'm probably using that word wrong, but what I mean is, is writing ##S_{\nu}T^{\nu}_{\sigma}## allowed?
 
  • #5
andrewkirk said:
Have they taught you the Einstein summation convention, which is that, where a variable name (ie letter) occurs both in an upper and a lower index position in a formula, there is an implied summation of the formula over all possible values of that variable?

I don't like the use of the word 'cancel', as it seems to me to imply the wrong thing. We certainly can't just erase the matched indices! What we can say is that we regard any variable names that have a match of the above type and hence generate an implied sum as bound variables, which means they are summed over. So if a formula has ##n## 'free' (ie unbound) variables in index positions, it actually specifies ##k^n## scalar equations where ##k## is the number of dimensions of the manifold - which will be four in General Relativity.

In some cases the number of equations can be further reduced by using additional information, such as symmetry of some of the tensors, but ##k^n## is the starting number.
Yes, we've been taught the summation convention. Which is what's confusing me. The variable ##\mu## in my equation above can be dropped or can't be? The examples in my notes suggest it can. But it appears twice, so that means it's summed over. If we just remove them from the equation then you don't know to sum over them anymore. From what Orodruin said the ##\nu## can't be dropped, but again with the ##\rho## it could be.
There's only one free variable so then there are ##4^1 = 4## equations, I can see why that is I think. ##\sigma## isn't summed over so you can only have one value of it per equation, but you can't just pick one and ignore the three other possible values of ##\sigma##.
 
  • #6
whatisreality said:
The variable ##\mu## in my equation above can be dropped or can't be?
It can't be. Even if we adopted a convention that, for a ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\2\end{pmatrix}## vector whose components are ##S^\mu{}_{\mu\nu}##, writing ##S_\nu## implies a component of the result of contracting between the upper index and a lower index, it would be ambiguous because we wouldn't know with which of the two lower indices it had been contracted - ie whether it was ##S^\mu{}_{\mu\nu}## or ##S^\mu{}_{\nu\mu}## - and in general that makes a difference to the result.
whatisreality said:
I'm probably using that word wrong, but what I mean is, is writing ##S_{\nu}T^{\nu}_{\sigma}## allowed?
Yes, it means ##\sum_{\nu=1}^k S_{\nu}T^{\nu}{}_{\sigma}##.

Or, if using an index system that starts at 0 rather than 1 (usual in General Relativity) it would be ##\sum_{\nu=0}^{k-1} S_{\nu}T^{\nu}{}_{\sigma}##, which is a perfectly ordinary scalar formula.

In words, it is the formula for the ##\sigma##-th component of the dual vector that is the result of contracting dual vector ##\tilde S## with the ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\1\end{pmatrix}## tensor ##\mathbf T## on the upper index.
 
  • Like
Likes whatisreality
  • #7
andrewkirk said:
It can't be. Even if we adopted a convention that, for a ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\2\end{pmatrix}## vector whose components are ##S^\mu{}_{\mu\nu}##, writing ##S_\nu## implies a component of the result of contracting between the upper index and a lower index, it would be ambiguous because we wouldn't know with which of the two lower indices it had been contracted - ie whether it was ##S^\mu{}_{\mu\nu}## or ##S^\mu{}_{\nu\mu}## - and in general that makes a difference to the result.
Yes, it means ##\sum_{\nu=1}^k S_{\nu}T^{\nu}{}_{\sigma}##.

Or, if using an index system that starts at 0 rather than 1 (usual in General Relativity) it would be ##\sum_{\nu=0}^{k-1} S_{\nu}T^{\nu}{}_{\sigma}##, which is a perfectly ordinary scalar formula.

In words, it is the formula for the ##\sigma##-th component of the dual vector that is the result of contracting dual vector ##\tilde S## with the ##\begin{pmatrix}1\\1\end{pmatrix}## tensor ##\mathbf T## on the upper index.
Ok I think I understand. Definitely not as simple as just scrubbing any two symbols that are the same! I'll take a look at what the actual mathematical operation is. Thank you for your help and for such detailed answers, I really appreciate it!
 

1. What is the purpose of contracting dummy indices tensors?

The purpose of contracting dummy indices tensors is to simplify and manipulate mathematical equations involving tensors. By contracting dummy indices, which represent repeated indices in a tensor equation, the equation can be reduced to a simpler form.

2. How do you contract dummy indices tensors?

To contract dummy indices tensors, you need to identify the repeated indices in the tensor equation and replace them with a summation over all possible values of those indices. This summation is known as the Einstein summation convention.

3. Can you give an example of contracting dummy indices tensors?

Sure, for example, if we have the tensor equation Aij = BikCkj, we can contract the dummy index i and k by replacing them with a summation over all possible values: Aij = BikCkj becomes Aj = BijCj + B2jCj + B3jCj + ...

4. Why is it important to contract dummy indices tensors?

Contracting dummy indices tensors is important because it allows for a more concise and efficient representation of tensor equations. It also helps to identify symmetries and relationships between different parts of the equation, making it easier to solve complex problems.

5. Are there any common mistakes when contracting dummy indices tensors?

Yes, common mistakes when contracting dummy indices tensors include not following the Einstein summation convention correctly, forgetting to contract all repeated indices, and not considering the order of the indices in the equation. It is important to carefully check and double-check the contracted equation to ensure accuracy.

Similar threads

  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
330
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
470
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
30
Views
5K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
8
Views
2K
Back
Top