Contracting over indices chain rule

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the relationship between four-velocity and four-acceleration in the context of relativistic physics. The original poster is tasked with showing that \( u^\beta \partial_\beta u^\alpha = a^\alpha \), where \( u \) represents four-velocity and \( a \) denotes four-acceleration. The challenge lies in understanding the application of the chain rule in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of using the chain rule and the definitions of four-velocity and four-acceleration. There is a focus on how to apply partial derivatives and the relationship between different components of four-velocity. Some participants express confusion about the necessity of the chain rule, while others suggest that it may be relevant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some hints have been provided regarding the definitions involved, and there is a recognition that the chain rule may not be necessary in all approaches. However, no explicit consensus has been reached on the best method to tackle the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of differing interpretations regarding the use of the chain rule and the specific conditions under which the four-velocity is evaluated, particularly in relation to transforming into a rest frame. Participants are also navigating the constraints of the forum's guidelines on providing hints versus complete solutions.

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As part of a problem I am doing I am asked to show uββuα = aα where u is 4 velocity and a refers to 4 acceleration. The way to do this is not immediately obvious to me, especially since the problem implies there should be a chain rule step involved which I am not seeing. I thought ∂ refers to ∂/∂t + ∂/∂x ect.

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Hints: What is ##\partial_\beta(u^\beta u^\sigma)##? What is the definition of ##a^\sigma##, and is there a way to rewrite that in a way that involves partial derivatives?

Edit: Oops. You don't have to use the product rule here, so ignore my first hint. Just start with the definition of ##a^\sigma##.
 
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Well if I do this (∂/∂t + ∂/∂x...)* each component of uβ there's still the uα I have to worry about. aα = duα/dτ so this seems to imply that uββ = d/dτ which doesn't seem right...?

And I'm not seeing how I can get that?

Oh wait never mind...I think I got it! If say I transform into a rest frame, the only component of the four velocity that is nonzero is the time component which is γc but γ=dt/dτ so uββ = d/dτ which makes the whole thing work! (yay)
 
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yeah you really don't have to use chain rule
 
black_hole said:
If say I transform into a rest frame, the only component of the four velocity that is nonzero is the time component which is γc but γ=dt/dτ so uββ = d/dτ which makes the whole thing work! (yay)
In the (momentarily) comoving inertial coordinate system, we have u=(c,0,0,0), not (γc,0,0,0), and this is only at one specific moment. The four-acceleration is the rate of change of the four-velocity as a function of proper time, and the four-velocity is just the normalized tangent vector to the world line. The four-acceleration is telling us how that tangent vector's direction in spacetime is changing with proper time, so you can't compute it from knowledge of that direction at only one point on the world line.

black_hole said:
yeah you really don't have to use chain rule
You do, actually. Recall that the chain rule is about taking the derivative of the composition of two functions. Can you figure out what the two functions are in this case?
 
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Fredrik said:
You do, actually. Recall that the chain rule is about taking the derivative of the composition of two functions. Can you figure out what the two functions are in this case?

I replied to this thread by using chain rule which gives answer in one line.someone deleted it,and send me an infraction for it.
 
andrien said:
I replied to this thread by using chain rule which gives answer in one line.someone deleted it,and send me an infraction for it.
Yes, I noticed. My reply to it was deleted as well. I just said that in the homework forum, we try to give hints, not complete solutions. It can be hard to do this when the calculation is this short.
 

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