Control Systems: Frequency response Bode plots and analytical expressions

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The discussion focuses on finding analytical expressions for the magnitude and phase of frequency responses for three transfer functions, G(s), by substituting s with jω. Participants share their attempts at simplifying the expressions and calculating the magnitude, with one user noting a discrepancy between their results and MATLAB's Bode plot output. After resolving the magnitude calculation, the challenge remains in determining the phase angle. The suggestion is made to utilize the atan function and review the polar form of complex numbers for clarity. Ultimately, understanding both magnitude and phase is crucial for accurately analyzing control systems.
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Homework Statement



Find analytical expressions for the magnitude and phase of the frequency response for each G(s) below:

(a) G(s)\,=\,\frac{20}{s\,\left(s\,+\,5\right)\left(s\,+\,5\right)}(b) G(s)\,=\,\frac{2\,\left(s\,+\,5\right)}{\left(s\,+\,1\right)\,\left(s\,+\,10\right)}(c) G(s)\,=\,\frac{100}{s\left(s^2\,+\,10\,s\,+\,100\right)}

Homework Equations



M\left(\omega\right)\,=\,\vert\,G\left(j\omega\right)\vert

Also need to find the angle expression.

Complex number operations are quite intensive, this is probably why I can't figure it out!

The Attempt at a Solution



Prof. told us to first replace all s with jw.

(a) G(j\omega)\,=\,\frac{20}{\left(j\omega\right)\,\left[\left(j\omega\right)\,+\,1\right]\,\left[\left(j\omega\right)\,+\,5\right]}

Then I do some complex number manipulation to slightly simplify the expression.

G(j\omega)\,=\,\frac{20}{\left(-j\omega^3\,-\,6\omega^2\,+\,5j\omega\right)}

Does that look right? I've tried to get the magnitude expression multiple times, but it just doesn't seem right! I did the Bode plot for this transfer function in MATlab and it reports that at w=1 the magnitude should be 8.83dB. NONE of my magnitude expressions produce that data point. What am I doing wrong?EDIT:

I figured out the magnitude part. But I still don't understand how to get the phase part.

M(\omega)\,=\,\frac{20}{\sqrt{\left(5\omega\,-\,\omega^3\right)^2\,+\,\left(6\omega^2\right)^2}}

And then to get the dB magnitude...

20\,log\left(M(\omega)\right)

But now how do I get the phase?
 
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Your alegra looks good to me.
G(ω) is just a complex number for any given value of ω. So you can find the phase angle with the atan function. I suggest you review the polar form of complex numbers if this is still confusing.
 

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