Convergence of Infinite Sums of Trigonometric Functions: Finding the Range of x

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of infinite sums involving trigonometric functions, specifically the sums of sin²n(x) and 2n sin(2n-1)(x). Participants are tasked with determining the range of x for which these sums converge and finding expressions for their sums.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of Cauchy's root test to determine convergence and question the relationship between the two sums. There are inquiries about the meaning of finding expressions for the sums and the applicability of Taylor's formula.

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Some participants have provided insights into the convergence of the first sum and have begun exploring the second sum. There is a mix of understanding regarding the differentiation of series and the implications of geometric series. Guidance has been offered to focus on the first series before addressing the second.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of convergence criteria and the implications of differentiating series. There is a noted emphasis on ensuring that assumptions about convergence are clearly stated, particularly regarding the values of x that lead to convergence.

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Homework Statement


Find what range of values of x the infinite sum of sin2n(x) and infinite sum 2nsin2n-1(x) converge and find an expression for their sums, carefully justifying your answers.


The Attempt at a Solution


I used cauchys root testand basically got that the first sum converges for all x in the reals except
x= {(2n+1)pi/2 } for n=0,1,2,3...

Then i said that the radius of convergence was the same as the first since it is the derivative of the first.

I hope this is right so far, if so what does it mean by "find an expression for their sums"?

Thanks
 
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Hi stukbv! :smile:

stukbv;3337460[h2 said:
The Attempt at a Solution[/h2]
I used cauchys root testand basically got that the first sum converges for all x in the reals except
x= {(2n+1)pi/2 } for n=0,1,2,3...

Seems ok!

Then i said that the radius of convergence was the same as the first since it is the derivative of the first.

Hmm, but the second is not exactly the deravitive of the first is it? It looks a lot like it, but it isn't exactly that.

I hope this is right so far, if so what does it mean by "find an expression for their sums"?

It means to calculate the infinite sum. (Hint: the series is of a very special type).
 
Does it mean to use taylors formula about x=0?
Also how would i deal with the second sum then, would i do cauchys root test again on it ?
 
stukbv said:
Does it mean to use taylors formula about x=0?
Also how would i deal with the second sum then, would i do cauchys root test again on it ?

Let's wait a bit with the second series. Let's first do the first one. Think of geometric series...
 
1/1-(sin(x))^2 ??
 
stukbv said:
1/1-(sin(x))^2 ??

Indeed! Now, what do you get if you differentiate a geometric series?
 
(cos(x))^2 + 2sinxcosx / (cos(x))^2
 
What? :confused:

I just asked you to calculate the derivative of

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^{+\infty}{x^{2n}}[/tex]

what are those sines and cosines coming from??
 
oh sorry i thought you meant differentiate my previous answer,
2x/(1-x^2)^2 ?
 
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Yes, that's already fine! :smile:

Now, what if you differentiate the series itself? (i.e. not the sum)
 
  • #11
2nx^(2n-1)
 
  • #12
Yes, now apply all that information to your second series...
 
  • #13
2sinx/(1-sin^2)^2 ? ahh i don't know :(
 
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stukbv said:
2sinx/(1-sin^2)^2 ? ahh i don't know :(

That's correct! :smile: See, it's not so hard :biggrin:
 
  • #15
ahh good thanks so much! does the second one also just converge for the same values as the first by the way?
 
  • #16
stukbv said:
ahh good thanks so much! does the second one also just converge for the same values as the first by the way?

I don't understand. You just calculated to where the second series converges?
 
  • #17
ah, so i just say it converges for all x such that sin^2(x) doesn't equal one.
Thanks!
 

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