Cooling down by switching the heating on?

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Count Iblis
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Cooling Heating
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the effects of increasing room temperature on personal comfort in a high-humidity environment, particularly focusing on the relationship between temperature, humidity, and sweat evaporation. Participants consider theoretical and practical implications of heating a room when humidity is at 100%.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that increasing the temperature could lower relative humidity, facilitating sweat evaporation, especially if a window is opened to allow moisture to escape.
  • Another participant counters that opening a window would equalize the humidity with the outside, which is already at 100%, thus not improving comfort.
  • A further reply emphasizes that increasing heat in a room at 100% humidity won't change the humidity level until condensation occurs, which would not alleviate discomfort.
  • One participant elaborates on the concepts of sensible and latent heat, explaining how air temperature and humidity interact with skin temperature and sweat evaporation, suggesting that pre-warming air could reduce overall heat transfer and comfort.
  • The same participant mentions the analogy of human cooling to the performance of evaporative cooling towers, noting that airflow significantly impacts comfort levels.
  • Another point raised is that high humidity can lead to a "clammy" feeling on the skin, regardless of heat transfer efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether increasing room temperature would improve comfort in high humidity. There is no consensus, as some argue for the benefits of heating while others highlight the limitations and potential drawbacks.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the interplay of temperature and humidity without resolving the complexities of how these factors affect personal comfort. The discussion includes assumptions about airflow and the conditions under which heat transfer occurs.

Count Iblis
Messages
1,859
Reaction score
8
Suppose the temperature in your room is 25 °C with 100% humidity. You are feeling very hot and sweating a lot. Most of the sweat does not evaporate on your body, it just drips onto the ground.

If you switch on the heating in your room, would you feel more comnfortable? It seems to me that by increasing the temperature by a few degrees the relative humidity would go down and the sweat would evaorate more easily. Of course, the evaporated water must be allowed to escape. So, you could open a window and sit close to the heating. If the outside temperature is 25 °C and the humidity is 100%, then close to your heating the temperature will be a bit higher but the humidity will be far lower.
 
Science news on Phys.org
If you open a window the humidity will quickly reach whatever the outside humidity is.
If you don't open a window and it's already 100% then increasing the heat isn't going to change the humidity, dropping it will at the point that water begins to condense out but then you wouldn't be too hot.
 
mgb_phys said:
If you open a window the humidity will quickly reach whatever the outside humidity is.
If you don't open a window and it's already 100% then increasing the heat isn't going to change the humidity, dropping it will at the point that water begins to condense out but then you wouldn't be too hot.


The temperature in the room is not uniform. As the outside air saturated with mosture passes the heating it heats up and its relative hunidity will be a bit lower.
 
Convection dissipates two completely separate forms of heat:

Sensible heat is heat transferred via dry convection. When air passes over your skin, it warms up, transferring heat.

Latent heat is transferred via evaporation. When air with less than 100% relative humidity passes over your skin, some moisture will evaporate into it, transferring heat.

Now, since air that starts at 25C and 100% humidity gains sensible heat (it warms up) as it passes over your skin, it will also gain latent heat, as the relative humidity drops as your skin warms it, which then allows moisture to evaporate. The total heat transferred is thus a function of the combination of latent and sensible heat of the air. If you pre-warm the air (say, to body temperature), you will increase the latent heat loss, but you will decrease the sensible heat loss to zero. The net effect will be a reduction in heat transfer.

The relationship between latent and sensible heat can be seen on the psychrometric chart: http://irc.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/images/bsi/83-psy_E.gif

Start with an air temperature at the bottom edge, then trace up to a relative/absolute humidity. From there, trace up and to the left along the diagonal to find the total heat content (enthalpy) of the air, along the left edge. Note that you can hold the absolute humidity fixed and increase the temperature (as you suggested) and that increases the heat content of the air.

The problem you are dealing with here is something engineers use to predict the performance of an evaporative cooling tower - a person behaves in a similar fashion. The air next to your skin will be at 37C and 100% humidity, while the air in the room with be at 25C and 100% humidity. Connect those two dots to find the sensible and latent heat difference and energy difference. Performance of a cooling tower is typically 75% of the difference between the two and depends on airflow. For a person, performance depends on airflow as well and a strong breeze will get your skin very close to the room's enthalpy.

That said, personal comfort is not just a matter of maintaining proper body temperature. If the humidity is too high, even if the overall heat transfer is sufficient to keep you cool, you'll sweat more and the sweat will linger on your skin longer, making your skin feel "clammy".
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
15K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K