Cooling of bottle, beyond homework

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the cooling of a liquid in a bottle submerged in a river, specifically cooling from 22 °C to 12 °C with the river temperature at 8 °C. The participants explore the application of heat transfer principles and relevant equations.

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  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem using heat transfer equations and considers the possibility of using a differential equation to model the temperature change over time. Some participants suggest looking into Newton's Law of Cooling as a relevant concept.

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Homework Statement


For how long you have to let bottle in a river, if you want to cool a liquid inside from 22 °C to 12 °C, when river is 8 °C?

Homework Equations


Q=cm(T1-T2), Qc=l*S(T-Triver)/d *t

The Attempt at a Solution


I know how to solve it for a case when we substitute in equation Qc for conduction of heat T by average temperature of bottle from starting and finishing state. But I believe it should be possible to solve it as a differential equation for changing "T" in Qc. But I don't know how to find out dependency T(t), t- time. Or should I do it some other way?

Thank you for your help and advice.
 
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Have you taken a look at Newton's Law of Cooling?
 
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gneill said:
Have you taken a look at Newton's Law of Cooling?
Hello, thank you for response. No I didn't till now :) I'm looking for some relevant site, best is with some already solved problem, I could learn from it. Or what do you suggest?
 
Vrbic said:
Hello, thank you for response. No I didn't till now :) I'm looking for some relevant site, best is with some already solved problem, I could learn from it. Or what do you suggest?
I suggest a web search on "Newtons Law of Cooling example" :smile:
 
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Hello, thank you for response. No I didn't till now :) I'm looking for some relevant site, best is with some already solved problem, I could learn from it. Or what do you suggest?
It seems relevant T-T0=(T-T0)exp(-kt). But I gues it is solution of some differential equation.
 
Vrbic said:
It seems relevant T-T0=(T-T0)exp(-kt). But I gues it is solution of some differential equation.
It is. You can find its derivation on the web easily. It begins with the rate of temperature change being proportional to the difference in temperature between the object and its environment.
 
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You have the two equations in your Relevant Equations. You just need to modify the first one a little to take into account the time dependence. Using your symbols, the transient heat balance is:
$$cm\frac{dT}{dt}=-l*S(T-T_{river})/d$$
where l is the thermal conductivity. This is the Newton cooling equation identified by gneill.

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