What logical error am I making? (solving for T)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving tension in cables, specifically focusing on the logical errors made while calculating the tensions (T1 and T2) in a system of three cables supporting a weight. The subject area includes concepts from physics related to forces, equilibrium, and vector resolution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve the problem by setting up triangles based on the angles of the cables and the weight they support. Some participants question the assumption that each cable supports the entire weight and suggest considering the equilibrium of forces at the connection point of the cables.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the misinterpretation of the triangles used in the original calculations. Guidance has been offered regarding the need to consider all three cables and the correct representation of forces in vector form. There is an exploration of how the forces should add up to zero, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is mention of a specific weight (244N) that the original poster assumed each cable was supporting, which may have contributed to the misunderstanding. The discussion also highlights the importance of correctly labeling forces in the vector addition diagram.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Fg=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to set this up as two "triangles".

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left triangle:
sin(37)=mg/T
T1=mg/sin(37)
T1=202.72

right triangle:
sin(53)=mg/T
T2=mg/sin(53)
T2=152.761

I now know the correct answers are T1=73.4N and T2=97.4. However, I'm not sure what logical fault I'm making when I originally tried to solve the problem using the above method.

Thanks for your help.

EDIT 4. Solution
My mistakes were that I needed to consider all three cables, and that T1y≠T2y.
 

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Well, your first problem is that you are taking it as being the case that each angled rope supports the entire weight, so you are doing your calculations based on a traffic light weight of 244N
 
Hint: Force equilibrium for the connection point of the three wires.
 
Callista said:
However, I'm not sure what logical fault I'm making when I originally tried to solve the problem using the above method.
Your triangles are OK but misinterpreted. Since the 3 forces add to zero, they should form a closed triangle when you add the vectors using the "tail-to-tip" graphic method. Specifically here the vector addition triangle you get is a 3-4-5. If you follow the hint by @Orodruin, and look at the forces acting on the connection point, you will realize that T1 points "up and to the left", T2 points "up and to the right" and T3 (the weight) is vertical. Your triangles show one vertical force but they also show horizontal forces which can't be. If you rotate one of these triangles so that the hypotenuse is vertical, you will see that the right sides correctly point "up and to the left" and "up and to the right" in the vector addition diagram. In short, you have mislabeled the weight ##mg## as a right side in your triangles. Just because you drew one side vertical does not mean that it represents the weight.
 
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