Coordinate Transformation (and using line elements)

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The discussion revolves around a coordinate transformation in the context of differential geometry, specifically from Hartle's General Relativity book. The original poster is exploring various aspects of this transformation, including the implications for line elements and the geometry of curves in the xy plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to sketch curves of constant u and v, suggesting they are parabolas. They also express uncertainty about transforming the line element and the intersection of curves. Questions arise regarding the setup of line integrals and the formulation of the equation for a circle in uv coordinates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing corrections and suggestions for the equation of the circle. There is an ongoing exploration of how to set up line integrals and whether to approach the problem from rectangular or uv coordinates. Multiple interpretations of the transformation and its implications are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the equation of a circle and the setup of integrals. The original poster expresses a desire to master the concept, indicating a focus on understanding rather than just finding a solution.

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This is from Hartle's GR book, in one of the first chapters it talks about diff geom, nothing too advanced, but I am learning on my own.

Homework Statement


It's part E I have trouble with. Read e. and skip to last para if you want.

Consider this coordinate transformation:

x=uv , y=(u^2 - v^2)/2

a. Sketch curves of constant u and v in xy plane

b. Transform the line element ds^2=dx^2 + dy^2 into u,v coordinates

c. do curves of constant u and v intersect at right angles?

d. find the equation of a circle of radius r centered at the origin in terms of u and v

e. Calculate the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle using uv coordinates

Homework Equations



The line element in rectangular coordinates, but that's written above

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, I think curves of constant u and v are vertical parabolas, one facing up and one facing down.

For the line element, I found ds^2= (u^2 + v^2)du^2 + (u^2 + v^2)dv^2

I don't really know how to do c. But that doesn't bother me much,

For the equation of a circle, I got (u^4)/2 + (v^4)/2 = R^2

BUT it's e. I cannot do. I think it is the crux of the question, and I think it's vital that I master this concept. Would it be some sort of line integral using ds over the diameter, and the circumference of the circle? I'm not sure I know how to formulate it correctly. Also not sure what the equation of a straight line in uv coordinates is... Is it v=0?
 
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Hi darkSun! :smile:
darkSun said:
x=uv , y=(u^2 - v^2)/2

d. find the equation of a circle of radius r centered at the origin in terms of u and v

e. Calculate the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle using uv coordinates

For the equation of a circle, I got (u^4)/2 + (v^4)/2 = R^2

Nooo … you multiplied your 2's wrong … try again! :wink:
 
Oh, I see the error.

So the equation of the circle is (u^4)/4 + (v^4)/4 +((uv)^2)/2 = R^2

But still, how are the line integrals set up? Is it just a matter of setting up the integral in rectangular coordinates then switching to uv coordinates and substituting the Jacobian?

Or is there a way to do it directly from uv coordinates?

Also, for my curiosity, is this what a parabolic coordinate system looks like?
 
darkSun said:
So the equation of the circle is (u^4)/4 + (v^4)/4 +((uv)^2)/2 = R^2

= (u2 + v2)2/4 :wink:
 

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