Copper penny failling between poles of magnet

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a copper penny falling between the poles of a magnet and questions whether its speed changes upon reaching the ground. The context is rooted in electromagnetism and the effects of magnetic fields on conductive materials.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the induction of eddy currents in the penny due to changing magnetic flux and explore the implications of Lenz's Law on the penny's motion. There are questions about the forces acting on the penny and how these forces relate to its velocity and energy changes.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationship between the penny's motion and the magnetic field. Some guidance has been offered regarding the role of the magnetic field and the nature of work done on the penny, though there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about energy conservation and the effects of induced currents, with some confusion noted regarding the direction of work done in the system.

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Homework Statement


A copper penny falls on a path that takes it between the poles of a magnet. Does it hit the ground going faster, slower, or at the same speed.


The Attempt at a Solution



Clearly the penny undergoes a change in magnetic flux. Since it receives a change in magnetic flux we expect that a current either begins within the penny, becomes stronger or reverses. Although there is a slight shift with the current it does not affect the mass of the penny or the effect of its gravitational constant. Because of this I expect there to be no change in velocity of the penny relative to the ground but a shift in velocity of current, I, within the penny. Is this correct?
 
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bishy said:
Is this correct?

Not quite. You are correct that there are eddy currents induced in the penny due to the change in flux, but remember that currents loops (think of the eddy currents as forming tiny current loops all over the penny) act as tiny magnetic dipoles. So, will these current loops experience a force from the B field? If so, how does this force affect the current loops, and thus the penny?

HINT: Try thinking in terms of Lenz's Law.
 
Hows about this: By Lenz's law I expect that the penny will do work against the magnet. Since there is no change in potential energy this change has to be through kinetic energy. Since there is also no change in the mass of the penny, it must be velocity that is expected to change. This change will be a negative change which indicates that the velocity of the penny relative to the ground will slow down. The kinetic energy that is lost is converted into heat.
 
You overall end result is correct, but I think you may be a little confused conceptually.

In particular, the penny does not do work on the magnet, but the magnetic field from the magnet does work on the penny against the motion of the penny. Other than that, everything sounds good.:smile:
 

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