Correct statement about thermodynamics process

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Process A is not adiabatic, and while both work (W) and change in internal energy (ΔU) are negative, the heat (Q) for process A remains undetermined. In a thermodynamic cycle where a gas starts and ends in the same state, ΔU is zero, but this does not apply to process A as it does not return to the same state. The discussion emphasizes the need to analyze the first law of thermodynamics for both the solid and dashed lines in process A. The relationship between work done in these processes is crucial for understanding heat transfer. Overall, further clarification on the first law application is necessary to resolve the heat determination for process A.
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Homework Statement
An ideal gas is taken through two cycles shown in Figure a and b. In Figure a, the cycle consists of process A (solid line) and adiabatic process (dash line). In figure b, the cycle consists of process B (solid line) and isothermal process (dash line). Which of the following statements is true?
A) The heat of both processes A and B are released;
B) The heat of both processes A and B are absorbed;
C) The heat of process A is released, while the heat of process B is absorbed;
D) The heat of process A is absorbed, while the heat of process B is released.
Relevant Equations
ΔU = Q + W
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I know process B absorbs heat but I can't determine the heat of process A.

In adiabatic process, Q = 0 but process A is not adiabatic. I only know both W and ΔU will be negative for process A but how to know Q?

Thanks
 
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What is the value of ##\Delta U## when a gas undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, starting and ending in exactly the same thermodynamic state?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the value of ##\Delta U## when a gas undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, starting and ending in exactly the same thermodynamic state?
ΔU will be zero since there is no change in temperature. But sorry I don't understand the direction of the hint since process A does not start and end in exactly same thermodynamic state.

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For process A, I think they mean the entire cycle, not just the solid line. I think it also includes the dashed line.
 
Chestermiller said:
For process A, I think they mean the entire cycle, not just the solid line. I think it also includes the dashed line.
I think they mean the solid line. Please see below.
songoku said:
ΔU will be zero since there is no change in temperature. But sorry I don't understand the direction of the hint since process A does not start and end in exactly same thermodynamic state.
For process A, write the first law for the dashed and solid line:

##\Delta U_A^{\text{solid}}=Q_A^{\text{solid}}+W_A^{\text{solid}}##

##\Delta U_A^{\text{dashed}}=Q_A^{\text{dashed}}+W_A^{\text{dashed}}##

You know that ##\Delta U_A^{\text{solid}}=\Delta U_A^{\text{dashed}}##

What else do you know?
How do ##W_A^{\text{solid}}## and ##W_A^{\text{dashed}}## compare?

Repeat along similar lines with process B asking yourself the same questions.
 
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I understand.

Thank you very much for the help and explanation Chestermiller and kuruman
 
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