Correct statement about thermodynamics process

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The discussion focuses on the thermodynamic processes A and B, specifically addressing the heat transfer and internal energy changes. It is established that for process A, which is not adiabatic, the change in internal energy (ΔU) is zero when considering a complete thermodynamic cycle due to no change in temperature. The first law of thermodynamics is applied to both solid and dashed lines of process A, leading to the equations ΔU_A^{\text{solid}}=Q_A^{\text{solid}}+W_A^{\text{solid}} and ΔU_A^{\text{dashed}}=Q_A^{\text{dashed}}+W_A^{\text{dashed}}. The discussion emphasizes the importance of comparing work done in both processes to fully understand the energy dynamics involved.

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Homework Statement
An ideal gas is taken through two cycles shown in Figure a and b. In Figure a, the cycle consists of process A (solid line) and adiabatic process (dash line). In figure b, the cycle consists of process B (solid line) and isothermal process (dash line). Which of the following statements is true?
A) The heat of both processes A and B are released;
B) The heat of both processes A and B are absorbed;
C) The heat of process A is released, while the heat of process B is absorbed;
D) The heat of process A is absorbed, while the heat of process B is released.
Relevant Equations
ΔU = Q + W
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I know process B absorbs heat but I can't determine the heat of process A.

In adiabatic process, Q = 0 but process A is not adiabatic. I only know both W and ΔU will be negative for process A but how to know Q?

Thanks
 
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What is the value of ##\Delta U## when a gas undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, starting and ending in exactly the same thermodynamic state?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the value of ##\Delta U## when a gas undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, starting and ending in exactly the same thermodynamic state?
ΔU will be zero since there is no change in temperature. But sorry I don't understand the direction of the hint since process A does not start and end in exactly same thermodynamic state.

Thanks
 
For process A, I think they mean the entire cycle, not just the solid line. I think it also includes the dashed line.
 
Chestermiller said:
For process A, I think they mean the entire cycle, not just the solid line. I think it also includes the dashed line.
I think they mean the solid line. Please see below.
songoku said:
ΔU will be zero since there is no change in temperature. But sorry I don't understand the direction of the hint since process A does not start and end in exactly same thermodynamic state.
For process A, write the first law for the dashed and solid line:

##\Delta U_A^{\text{solid}}=Q_A^{\text{solid}}+W_A^{\text{solid}}##

##\Delta U_A^{\text{dashed}}=Q_A^{\text{dashed}}+W_A^{\text{dashed}}##

You know that ##\Delta U_A^{\text{solid}}=\Delta U_A^{\text{dashed}}##

What else do you know?
How do ##W_A^{\text{solid}}## and ##W_A^{\text{dashed}}## compare?

Repeat along similar lines with process B asking yourself the same questions.
 
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I understand.

Thank you very much for the help and explanation Chestermiller and kuruman
 

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