Correlation of two portfolios given price correlations of assets

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The discussion revolves around the correlation of two portfolios based on the price correlations of their constituent assets. Participants explore the mathematical approach to determining how correlated two portfolios are, particularly in the context of financial mathematics and linear combinations of random variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks confirmation on a method to calculate the correlation between two portfolios using a correlation matrix and suggests multiplying portfolio vectors by this matrix.
  • Another participant questions whether the correlation between two portfolios can be understood as the correlation coefficient between two random variables that are linear combinations of other random variables.
  • A later reply agrees with the previous point and mentions that the approach resembles least squares regression.
  • Another participant recommends simplifying the problem by considering a case with only two assets, suggesting the use of symbolic representation to clarify the question.
  • There is a proposal to define the covariance matrix and correlation matrix in terms of the assets involved, indicating a mathematical framework for the discussion.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with financial mathematics, and while there is some agreement on the mathematical approach, the overall discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the initial method proposed for calculating portfolio correlation.

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There are limitations in the clarity of terms such as "portfolio vector," and the discussion relies on assumptions about the definitions of correlation and covariance that are not fully articulated. The mathematical steps involved in the proposed methods are not completely resolved.

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Hello all. I am not a stats person so I would like some help/confirmation on this one.

What I am trying to achieve (if possible) is a metric on how two portfolios (or strategies) are correlated.

Imagine there are two portfolios of assets A,B,C,D... with different weights of each asset.
eg. P1 = (5, 2, 0, -3, ...) and P2 = (0, 3, 10, -5, ...)

(Read this as Portfolio one consisting of 5 of asset A, 2 of asset B, no asset C, -3 of asset D and so on. The negative values means that the portfolio is short that asset.)

Let the correlation coefficients of each asset pair be given such that we can construct a typical correlation matrix (NxN square matrix, where ai,j is the correlation coefficient for assets i and j).

I *think* that all I need to do is:

1. Multiply each portfolio vector by the correlation matrix
Mcorrelation°P1 = X1 and Mcorrelation°P2 = X2
2. Calculate the correlation onf the two datasets (vectors) X1 and X2
Corr(X1,X2) = Corr(P1,P2)


I have done this for several portfolios and what I arrive at looks right, but I am not sure if it is right. Am I out to lunch? Thoughts?

Much appreciated.
 
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grmnsplx said:
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I suspect most forum members aren't familiar with financial mathematics. (I'm not.) It sounds like you are asking a question about linear combinations of random variables. Does the definition of "correlation" between two portfolios amount to finding the correlation coefficient between two random variables, each of which is a linear combination of other random variables?
 
Stephen Tashi said:
I suspect most forum members aren't familiar with financial mathematics. (I'm not.) It sounds like you are asking a question about linear combinations of random variables. Does the definition of "correlation" between two portfolios amount to finding the correlation coefficient between two random variables, each of which is a linear combination of other random variables?

Yes, that's right.
If I am not mistaken, it looks like I am doing a Least ordinary squares.
 
I suggest you write out the case of two stocks A and B which will only involve 2x2 matrices. At least, write out what you are given and what you are asking in symbolic form. That will save people from having to guess at the meaning of things like "portfolio vector".

Look up how to use LaTex on the forum. I think your question begins as follows:

Let [itex]A,B[/itex] be two independent random variables with respective means [itex]\mu_A, \mu_B[/itex] and standard deviations [itex]\sigma_A,\sigma_B[/itex].

let

[itex]P_1 = \lambda_A A + \lambda_B B[/itex] where [itex]\lambda_A, \lambda_B[/itex] are constants.

[itex]P_2 = \alpha_A A + \alpha_B B[/itex] where [itex]\alpha_A, \alpha_B[/itex] are constants.

Let [itex]C _{AB}[/itex] be the covariance matrix

[itex]C_{AB} = \begin{pmatrix} COV(A,A),&COV(A,B) \\ COV(B,A)&COV(B,B) \end{pmatrix}[/itex].

Now, is the "asset pair correlation matrix" supposed to be like:

[itex]R_{AB} = \begin {pmatrix} \frac{COV(A,A)}{\sigma_A^2}&\frac{COV(AB)}{\sigma_A \sigma_B} \\ \frac{COV(B,A)}{\sigma_B \sigma_A}& \frac{COV(B,B)}{\sigma_B^2} \end{pmatrix}[/itex]
 

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