Could light be a particle that is unobservable as an actual particle?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of light, specifically whether it can be considered an unobservable particle due to its speed and the implications of relativistic effects. Participants explore concepts related to the observability of light, its behavior as a particle, and the theoretical implications of particles traveling at the speed of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light could be unobservable as a particle because it travels at the speed of light, suggesting it exists in a different temporal dimension.
  • Others argue that light is observable through various means, such as sight and interaction with matter, challenging the premise of light being unobservable.
  • There is a discussion about the validity of throwing a particle at the speed of light, with some asserting that such an action is impossible and thus the original question is invalid.
  • Some participants emphasize that light behaves like a particle, particularly in its interaction with gravity, but clarify that light is not a particle of matter.
  • One participant notes that the photon lacks a meaningful size, distinguishing its particle nature from other familiar particles, and suggests caution in using the particle model without a thorough understanding of quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the observability of light and the validity of the original question regarding particles traveling at the speed of light. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of light and its classification as a particle.

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Some claims depend on definitions of "observable" and "particle," and there are unresolved assumptions about the implications of relativistic speeds on particle behavior.

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Could light be a particle that is unobservable as an actual particle because of the fact that it is traveling at the speed of light, and thus occurs at a different temporal 'dimension' because of the relativistic difference in velocity between the light 'particle' itself, and the space in which it is moving through? In other words, if I were able to throw a particle at the speed of light, it might lose observability because of the speed it was traveling?
 
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Light is observable though. I observe it every time I open my eyes, take a picture, or feel the Sun on my skin.
Also, there is only one temporal timension, and we cannot throw a particle at the speed of light, so your question isn't answerable.
 
Light is observable with our eyes, yes, but it behaves like a particle, particularly in the way that it is affected by gravity. The question might be 'what happens to a particle of matter if it was hurled at the speed of light in a vacuum?'.
 
applebob said:
Light is observable with our eyes, yes, but it behaves like a particle, particularly in the way that it is affected by gravity. The question might be 'what happens to a particle of matter if it was hurled at the speed of light in a vacuum?'.

That cannot happen, so your question is invalid.
 
applebob said:
Could light be a particle that is unobservable as an actual particle because of the fact that it is traveling at the speed of light, and thus occurs at a different temporal 'dimension' because of the relativistic difference in velocity between the light 'particle' itself, and the space in which it is moving through? In other words, if I were able to throw a particle at the speed of light, it might lose observability because of the speed it was traveling?

Physicists have complicated equations that explain the behaviour of light. It has very little to do with the English word "particle."

As far as I am concerned light is unobservable. All we can observe is what matter does when light whacks into it.
 
ImaLooser said:
Physicists have complicated equations that explain the behaviour of light. It has very little to do with the English word "particle."

As far as I am concerned light is unobservable. All we can observe is what matter does when light whacks into it.

But that's how we observe all things. Light or matter whacking into things.
 
applebob said:
Light is observable with our eyes, yes, but it behaves like a particle, particularly in the way that it is affected by gravity. The question might be 'what happens to a particle of matter if it was hurled at the speed of light in a vacuum?'.

There are a lot of errors here. Light is NOT a "particle of matter". Furthermore, the way light is affected by gravity is different than the way a particle with mass is affected by gravity. Read the FAQ in the Relativity forum.

Your question can't be answered because it assumes a number of erroneous things. It is similar to asking "when did you stop beating your wife"?

Zz.
 
Unlike other 'particles', the photon doesn't have a meaningful 'size'. That's something that makes its particle nature different from other particles with which we're more or less familiar.
Imho, it's best not to use the particle approach until you really know what you're doing. Of course, the Quantum nature of photons is another matter because the energy of their interactions is noticeably quantised - but that says nothing about the shape, size etc. of a photon.
 

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