Could the emission of 2 gravitons in orbits possibly be supressed?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of suppressing or avoiding the simultaneous emission of two gravitons in orbital configurations, particularly in systems with multiple moons around a planet. It explores theoretical implications related to gravitational wave emission and the challenges posed by the lack of a valid theory of quantum gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while gravitational waves are emitted as bodies orbit each other, there may be configurations where the quadrupole moment remains invariant, yet higher order effects like two-graviton emission could still occur.
  • There is a suggestion that the emission of two gravitons might be analogous to "forbidden" electromagnetic transitions, which can happen with a lower probability.
  • One participant questions under which model this emission could be analyzed, noting the absence of a valid theory of quantum gravity.
  • Another participant inquires about the potential use of semi-classical approximations, similar to those used in modeling Hawking radiation, despite the lack of a complete quantum theory of gravity.
  • A later reply asserts that no such semi-classical approximations are available.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for others to conduct their own research and provide specific references before posing questions, indicating a concern about the quality of inquiries in the thread.
  • The thread is ultimately closed, suggesting a lack of further discussion or resolution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of using semi-classical approximations and the existence of models to address the question of two-graviton emission. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the main inquiry.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the current understanding of quantum gravity and the challenges in modeling gravitational interactions at this level. There is an acknowledgment of the need for specific references to support claims and inquiries.

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Could the emission of 2 gravitons at the same time in orbits be possibly avoided or supressed?
As bodies orbit each other they emit gravitational waves (presumably by emitting gravitons). There could be configurations of several moons around a planet (for instance) where the quadrupole moment does not change and is invariant. However, there could still be higher order effects, namely two-graviton emission (analogous to "forbidden" electromagnetic transitions that still would happen, albeit with a much smaller probability)

Could the emission of 2 gravitons at the same time be possibly avoided or suppressed? Or perhaps compensated by other mechanism?
 
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Suekdccia said:
TL;DR Summary: Could the emission of 2 gravitons at the same time in orbits be possibly avoided or supressed?

As bodies orbit each other they emit gravitational waves (presumably by emitting gravitons). There could be configurations of several moons around a planet (for instance) where the quadrupole moment does not change and is invariant. However, there could still be higher order effects, namely two-graviton emission (analogous to "forbidden" electromagnetic transitions that still would happen, albeit with a much smaller probability)

Could the emission of 2 gravitons at the same time be possibly avoided or suppressed? Or perhaps compensated by other mechanism?
Under which model? We do not have a valid theory of quantum gravity yet.
 
pines-demon said:
Under which model? We do not have a valid theory of quantum gravity yet.
are there any semi-classical approximations that we can use now (similar to how Hawking radiation is modeled despite not having a quantum theory of gravity)?
 
Suekdccia said:
are there any semi-classical approximations that we can use now (similar to how Hawking radiation is modeled despite not having a quantum theory of gravity)?
No.
 
@Suekdccia you need to do the work yourself of finding out whether there is a model that can be used to answer your question, before asking it. That means taking the time to find specific references as the basis for your question. Given the number of threads you have started without doing this, we are getting to the point where you are going to start getting warnings instead of just reminders about giving a specific reference. Please take heed.

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