Counterexample to the Theorem on Nowhere Dense Sets in a Complete Metric Space

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The discussion revolves around the theorem stating that in a complete metric space, if {A_n} is a sequence of nowhere dense sets, then there exists a point in the space not contained in any of the A_n's. Participants explore a proposed counterexample involving a specific metric space and a sequence of sets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a metric space X = {1, 1/2, 1/3, ...} ∪ {0} and sets A_n = {1/n, 0}, questioning whether this serves as a counterexample to the theorem.
  • Another participant asserts that A_n is dense at 1/n, prompting clarification on the definition of nowhere dense sets.
  • A participant defines nowhere dense sets as those whose closure has empty interior, arguing that the closure of {1/n, 0} is itself and has empty interior.
  • Further discussion arises about whether 1/n and 0 are interior points of {1/n, 0}, with one participant asserting that no open ball centered at these points belongs to the set.
  • Another participant challenges this by suggesting that a ball with a small radius could be contained within the set.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake regarding the interior points, concluding that 1/n and 0 are indeed interior points, thus the proposed sequence is not nowhere dense.
  • A later reply clarifies that while 1/n is an interior point, 0 is not, as any ball centered at 0 contains points outside the set.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the status of the sets A_n as nowhere dense. There is disagreement on the characterization of interior points, particularly regarding the point 0.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances in definitions of interior points and nowhere dense sets, with participants refining their understanding based on the specific properties of the proposed metric space.

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Hi, I read the following theorem in a book:
If {[tex]A_n[/tex]} is a sequence of nowhere dense sets in a complete metric space X, then there exists a point in X which is not in any of the [tex]A_n[/tex]'s.

But what if I say X={1,1/2,1/3, ...} [tex]\cup[/tex] {0} with the regular metric d(x,y)=|x-y|, and [tex]A_n[/tex]={1/n,0}.
Why wouldn't this be a counterexample?
As I see it, X is a complete metric space, each [tex]A_n[/tex] is nowhere dense, and their union equals X.
 
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An is dense at 1/n
 


I don't understand what you mean by "An is dense at 1/n ".
The definition I have is: A subset S of a metric space is said to be nowhere dense if its closure has empty interior.
The closure of each set in the sequence I propose, {1/n,0}, is the set itself. These sets have empty interiors because 1/n and 0 are not interior points of {1/n,0}.
 


symbol0 said:
1/n and 0 are not interior points of {1/n,0}.
Why not?
 


Because no open ball centered at 1/n or 0 belongs to {1/n,0}
 


symbol0 said:
Because no open ball centered at 1/n or 0 belongs to {1/n,0}
Are you sure about that? What about the one with radius 1/(2n)?
 


A ball of radius 1/2n would contain points that are not in the set. For example, take the set {1/3,0}. A ball of radius 1/6 centered at 1/3 would contain the point 1/4 which is not in {1/3,0}. So the ball does not belong to the set. The same goes for all sets {1/n,0}.
 


symbol0 said:
A ball of radius 1/6 centered at 1/3 would contain the point 1/4 which is not in {1/3,0}.
Hrm. Yep, I made an error. But it is obvious how to fix my statement, right?
 


I think I see now why the points 1/n and 0 are interior points of each set.
The problem was that all this time I've been under the assumption that a set with only one point could not be an open ball (this happens when the metric space is [tex]\mathbb{R}[/tex], but it does not happen in a metric space like the one I am proposing). So if I center balls at 1/n and 0 with a very small radius, then the only point of the ball that is inside the set will be the center of the each ball. So the ball is inside the set (it does not matter that the ball has only one point).
Thus 1/n and 0 are interior points.
So the sequence I proposed is NOT a sequence of nowhere dense sets.

Am I right?
 
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symbol0 said:
So if I center balls at 1/n and 0 with a very small radius, then the only point of the ball that is inside the set will be the center of the each ball.
Correct for 1/n. Incorrect for 0. (Every ball, no matter how small of a radius, does contain another point) While 1/n is, 0 is not an interior point of any of your sets.
 
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That's right Hurkyl.
Thanks for your help.
 

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