Creating 1500 watts of power in the trunk of my car

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of generating 1500 watts of power in the trunk of a car for intermittent use, exploring various methods such as inverters, portable power stations, gas generators, and modifications to the car's existing electrical system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a power inverter but notes the expense of running it from the car battery.
  • Another participant proposes a small gas-powered generator as a viable option, providing a specific model as an example.
  • A question is raised about the duration of power usage and whether it needs to be available while driving, indicating that a generator may not be practical in a closed vehicle.
  • Concerns are expressed about the efficiency and practicality of carrying an additional internal combustion engine and alternator, suggesting an upgrade to the existing alternator instead.
  • One participant highlights the advantages of a small inverter generator for intermittent use when the vehicle is stationary, contrasting it with the complexity of a battery-powered inverter system.
  • A suggestion is made to consider a Tesla Powerwall, which could fit in the trunk and provide substantial energy storage.
  • Some participants question the necessity of a 1.5kW supply in the trunk, noting that the vehicle already has a generator powered by the engine, and propose adding or upgrading generators instead.
  • Concerns are raised about modern car electrical systems and their ability to handle high power demands without triggering issues with the ECU.
  • One participant speculates on the possibility of adding a new generator driven by the engine's moving parts to circumvent limitations of the existing system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the best approach to generating 1500 watts of power in a car trunk, with no consensus reached on a single solution. Various methods are debated, and concerns about practicality and efficiency are raised.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to modern car electrical systems, including the impact of advanced ECU systems on power supply and the challenges of integrating additional power sources.

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Good afternoon everyone! I've exhausted my initial ideas for supporting 1500 watts of power in the trunk of my car, for intermittent use with a wall plug connection. My first thought was a simple power inverter, however, ideally I won't be running this power from my car battery. This has proven to be expensive to support the required wattage. I then considered using a portable power station - I have not been able to find one that can run at 1500w with an outlet or converter for a basic wall plug. Another alternative would be a small gas powered generator to keep in my vehicle. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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For how long are you going to use those 1500W of power each day? Does it have to be usable while you are driving? In that case a generator would not be very practical since you can't use it inside a closed car.
 
How much can you spend? What are you powering?

Carrying around a second IC engine and alternator seems a waste. You are already carrying an IC engine around and you could upgrade the alternator you already have. The upgrade and wiring cost will probably not be terribly more expensive than a generator.

BoB
 
I would hope the OP doesn't plan to run the generator in the trunk while driving the car.:smile:
In terms of simplicity, portability, efficiency at low power levels and stability of output a small inverter type generator is hard to beat for intermittent use while not in motion. As the OP said the main alternative for 1000+ watts of power while driving is a battery powered inverter with a separate deep discharge battery bank and charging system powered by the cars engine. That's not something you can just drop in the trunk and drive off with.
 
How about the tesla power wall? That will easily fit in the trunk and stores 7kWh.
 
I don't know why you need a 1.5kW supply to the trunk, but the power does not have to be generated there.
The vehicle already has a generator which extracts power from the engine.
It should not be very hard to add additional generators which are powered by the engine, or replace the existing one with a more heavy duty device.
 
rootone said:
I don't know why you need a 1.5kW supply to the trunk, but the power does not have to be generated there.
The vehicle already has a generator which extracts power from the engine.
It should not be very hard to add additional generators which are powered by the engine, or replace the existing one with a more heavy duty device.

With an older car it was pretty easy to just add a split charger circuit and a leisure deep-cycle battery in addition to the starter battery. Modern cars are just too smart for that with advanced ECU systems that monitor the SOC of the starter battery and reduce voltage to save fuel leaving the other battery flat. If the power requirement was a few hundred watts it would be easy to tie into the existing system but 1.5kW at 12Vdc is a lot of current to supply in a modern car without the ECU thinking something is wrong even if you have a completely separate charging system.
 
Maybe the ECU could be fooled by leaving the existing generator as it is,
and adding another generator somewhere near the engine's moving parts.
I'm thinking of some pulleys attached to the radiator pump mechanism or something like that.
They then provide the mechanical drive for the new generator.
 

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