Creep and Fatigue stress from power plan components

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of creep and fatigue stress in power plant components, particularly focusing on the pipes that carry steam. Participants are exploring methods to convert raw data on pressure and temperature into useful engineering metrics, such as creep rupture curves and S-N curves, while seeking guidance on relevant material constants and software tools for finite element analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant is seeking help to understand the basics of creep and fatigue stress analysis and is looking for guidance on specific steps to obtain creep rupture and S-N curves.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem may be more suited for research rather than homework and proposes moving the discussion to the Engineering department.
  • A participant shares a resource that contains equations relevant to the analysis but expresses the need for material constants for different metals.
  • There is a focus on obtaining material constants for calculations, with one participant mentioning they have some constants for Steel 4340 but require more for creep calculations.
  • One participant is inquiring about suitable finite element analysis software to calculate fatigue stress due to cyclic heat on steam pipes, mentioning issues with installing one option and considering alternatives.
  • A participant reports progress in calculating creep damage using dummy constants and discusses their approach to automating data collection and damage calculation based on pressure and temperature data collected every ten minutes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various needs and approaches regarding the analysis of creep and fatigue stress, but there is no consensus on specific methods, constants, or software tools. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple viewpoints and ongoing inquiries.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached agreement on the best methods for obtaining material constants or the most effective software for analysis. There are also unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the calculations and the specific data collection methods being employed.

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Hi, I'm new here, and I'm not really sure where this thread goes, so please feel free to move it

Homework Statement


basically, I'm doing a project involving converting raw data on pressure and temperature (and time) in a power plant situation (mainly the pipes carrying the steam)

here is a document which outlines some of the things I'm looking at:
http://www.structint.com/tekbrefs/CFPRO3_2002.pdf"

at the top of page three is the basic process i would like to carry out for my project (initially just the top part leading to the total damage graph)

however, i am not the most learned fellow in this field and am coming here to seek some help from someone who is. basically, i would like to know if anyone knows of any places which will help me understand the basics first then the specific steps involved in getting at least the creep rupture curve and S-N curve, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

I can currently convert the pressure to the creep stress and i understand that i will need to use finite elements and green's function to get the fatigue stress (am i right here?)

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This looks more like a research problem to me. I'm going to send it over to the Engineering department for discussion.
 
I was able to find the equations in this pdf (http://www.materialsscience.pwr.wroc.pl/ap/articles/ms_2007_036.pdf ), which was a great help

however, now all i need are the constants

since i am not finding them through experimentation and i plan to do it over a few different metals does anyone know a good 'database' of these constants relating to the different metals involved?

Thanks
Sam
 
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nah, its more like the maths behind it that is important, thanks all the same though

probably for the moment i only need the material constants for one type of material (just so i can get the calculations up and running, i have got some constants (for fatigue calculations) for Steel 4340 but still haven't got a complete set for creep etc.)

i don't really mind what material it is at the moment, i have decided to try and get the maths working (in python) first.

Thanks for the help :D
 
Also, I'm wondering if anyone knows any good Finite Element Analysis Software (preferably for windows, but linux could be ok) that would be able to find the fatigue stress as a result of the cyclic heat on the steam pipes? even if i just make up reasonable constants atm this is the only mathematical barrier i need to get around.

i tried code aster (pachted for windows) but it failed to install properly, but i would consider trying it in linux if anyone recommends it for what i need
 
ok, so I've been using some dummy constants in the creep damage calculations and I'm able to calculate creep YAY

so, the next step (besides getting real constants) is to make it automated off a 'data collecting system'

my two inputs from this are collected every ten minutes, pressure and temperature, so, i don't really have enough knowledge about creep to be sure so hopefully someone here does,
but i was hoping that finding the total creep damage would be a matter of adding each small damage calculation up (small damage calculation = ten minutes / expected rupture time from the data for that 10 minutes) (considering for some ten minute blocks there will be no pressure (during powerplant shut downs) and it will be changing)

the raw data is taken at the end of each 10minutes, so I will probably average the start and end pressures/temperatures for each ten minute block.

i hope i am making sense here, if you know a bit about what I am talking about but can't properly understand me, just ask for some clarification :D

Thanks
Sam
 

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