Critical Pressure and Temperature of a van der Waals Gas

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the critical temperature and pressure for a van der Waals gas using its equation of state. Participants are exploring the implications of the inflection point on the P versus V curve at the critical point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the first and second derivatives of pressure with respect to volume, noting the complexity of the expressions involved. There is a suggestion that there might be a simpler method to approach the problem.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts to derive the necessary derivatives. Some have provided specific derivative expressions, while others are seeking clarification on the correct approach to take.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty regarding their ability to solve the derivatives, indicating a potential gap in understanding the mathematical tools required for the problem.

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Homework Statement


From the van der Waals equation of state, show that the critical temperature and pressure are given by

T_{cr} = \frac{8a}{27bR}

P_{cr} = \frac{a}{27b^2}

Hint: Use the fact that the P versus V curve has an inflection point at the critical point so that the first and second derivatives are zero.

Homework Equations


P = \frac{RT}{V/n - b} - \frac{a}{(V/n)^2}

The Attempt at a Solution


The first and second derivative have powers of V greater than 2. Unfortunately I don't have the skills to solve for dp/dt = 0 or d^2p/dt^2 = 0. Perhaps there's a simpler way?
 
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e(ho0n3 said:
The first and second derivative have powers of V greater than 2. Unfortunately I don't have the skills to solve for dp/dt = 0 or d^2p/dt^2 = 0. Perhaps there's a simpler way?

Err, that should be dP/dV = 0 and d^2P/dV^2 = 0.
 
Just for reference,

\frac{dP}{dV} = \frac{-RT}{n(V/n - b)^2}

\frac{d^2P}{dV^2} = \frac{2RT}{n^2(V/n - b)^3}
 
http://www.chem.arizona.edu/~salzmanr/480a/480ants/vdwcrit/vdwcrit.html

A good website with complete calculation
 

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