Entropy change of van der Waals gas expansion

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the change of entropy for a van der Waals gas undergoing isothermal expansion from an initial volume to a larger volume. The original poster seeks to derive an expression for the entropy change and explore the implications of a free expansion into a vacuum, noting the temperature change associated with this process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using Maxwell's relations to derive the entropy change and question the implications of the van der Waals equation on internal energy. There are attempts to integrate expressions for entropy and internal energy, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding temperature and volume.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights and hints about the relationships between temperature, volume, and internal energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of chain rule differentiation and the need to consider ideal gas behavior in certain segments of the process. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the independence of specific heat capacities.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that Maxwell's relations are not introduced until later in their studies, which may affect their approach. There is also mention of the need for additional information regarding internal energy, as well as constraints related to the assumptions of constant temperature and the behavior of the van der Waals gas.

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Homework Statement


Consider ##n## moles of gas, initially confined within a volume ##V## and held at temperature ##T##. The gas is expanded to a total volume ##\alpha V##, where ##\alpha## is a constant, by a reversible isothermal expansion. Assume that the gas obeys the van der Waals equation of state $$\left ( p + \frac{n^2a}{V^2} \right )(V - nb) = nRT$$. Derive an expression for the change of entropy of the gas.

Show further that removing a partition and allowing a free expansion into the vacuum results in the temperature of the van der Waals gas falling by an amount proportional to
##( \alpha-1)/ \alpha ##.

Homework Equations


##dU = TdS - pdV ##
##dU = dQ + dW##

The Attempt at a Solution


Since the total energy for a van der Waals gas is a function of ##T## as well as ##V##, ##dU## is not 0 in the first process.

I need an extra piece of information but I'm not sure where to look.
 
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You need to use the Maxwell relationship approach to determine the partial derivative of entropy with respect to volume at constant temperature. Start with dA = -SdT-PdV.

Chet
 
Thanks for the help.

Using this method and particularly $$ \left (\frac{ \partial S}{ \partial V} \right)_T = \left (\frac{ \partial p}{ \partial T} \right )_V,$$ the formula for ##dS## becomes $$dS = \frac{nR}{(V-nb)}dV,$$ which I then integrated. I have to mention that Maxwell's relations aren't introduced until later on in the book, though.

For the second part of the question I know ##dU## is zero but it seems to be difficult to solve the problem without knowing anything about U.
 
Part 2 is a very interesting problem. You correctly reasoned that, for the process described, ΔU is equal to zero. One hint I can give you is that you are going to need to take into account the effect of temperature on U. The only conditions under which you know that are in the ideal gas state, where dU = CvdT. So part of your path from the initial equilibrium state of the system to its final equilibrium state is going to involve a journey through ideal gas country. Think Hess' law for getting from the initial equilibrium state to the final equilibrium state using constant T and constant V segments, as parts of the overall journey.

Another hint: S = S(T,V), so express dS using the chain rule for differentiation, and then substitute that into the equation for dU = TdS-PdV. This will give you what you need to integrate the constant temperature segments.

Chet
 
I'm not entirely sure what you mean but I think I have found the solution ( which may be precisely your method).

Writing ## U = U(V,T)##, we have

$$ dU = 0 = \left ( \frac{ \partial U}{ \partial T} \right)_V dT + \left ( \frac{ \partial U}{ \partial V} \right)_T dV = C_v dT + \left ( T \left ( \frac{ \partial p}{ \partial T} \right)_V - p \right )dV $$

Substituting with the van der Waals gas gives

$$ C_vdT = -\frac{n^2a}{V^2}dV$$

Integrating gives

$$T_f - T_i = \frac{n^2a}{VC_v}\frac{(1-\alpha)}{\alpha}$$

In fact everything I've done matches your hints. Thank you again.
 
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Dazed&Confused said:
I'm not entirely sure what you mean but I think I have found the solution ( which may be precisely your method).

Writing ## U = U(V,T)##, we have

$$ dU = 0 = \left ( \frac{ \partial U}{ \partial T} \right)_V dT + \left ( \frac{ \partial U}{ \partial V} \right)_T dV = C_v dT + \left ( T \left ( \frac{ \partial p}{ \partial T} \right)_V - p \right )dV $$

Substituting with the van der Waals gas gives

$$ C_vdT = -\frac{n^2a}{V^2}dV$$

Integrating gives

$$T_f - T_i = \frac{n^2a}{VC_v}\frac{(1-\alpha)}{\alpha}$$

In fact everything I've done matches your hints. Thank you again.
This method only works because ##\frac{n^2a}{V^2}## is independent of T, so Cv is independent of V. Otherwise, you would have had to use the more elaborate procedure that I outlined in my previous post. I didn't know in advance that Cv is independent of V for a van der waals gas.

Also, please check on the n's in your analysis. The equation you wrote for dU is supposed to be per mole. You might need an additional n on the left hand side to cancel one of the n's on the right hand side.

Chet
 
If I'm to have a constant temperature sections, doesn't that invalidate dU = 0 for that section?
 
Dazed&Confused said:
If I'm to have a constant temperature sections, doesn't that invalidate dU = 0 for that section?
Sure. dU is not zero over any of the parts of the path that I described. But, over the entire path, ∫dU = ΔU is equal to zero. The only constraint of the problem statement is that ΔU=0, not that dU is zero over every increment of every path.

Chet
 
I said before I didn't fully understand your hints. If we had two sections, the first of which involves isothermal expansion to the required volume. This increases U by a certain amount. Then the next section is cooling at constant volume, for which Cv is constant. We do this until U decreases by the same amount as before, so the final state is the same.
 
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Dazed&Confused said:
I said before I didn't fully understand your hints. If we had two sections, the first of which involves isothermal expansion to the required volume. This increases U by a certain amount. Then the next section is cooling at constant volume, for which Cv is constant. We do this until U decreases by the same amount as before, so the final state is the same.
You have the right idea now, but you generally won't know Cv at the final volume (or the initial volume for that matter). Usually, the only place we know Cv is in the ideal gas state. So to do the problem if all you know Cv(T) in the ideal gas state and the EOS for the gas, you require a 3-step process:

Step 1: Increase the volume at constant temperature until the volume is large enough, say V*, for the ideal gas state to be achieved.

Step 2: Change the temperature at constant V* until the final temperature is achieved (temporarily unknown).

Step 3: Decrease the volume from V* to αV at the constant final temperature.

To find the final temperature, algebraically set the sum of the ΔU's for these three steps equal to zero. V* should cancel out when you do this.

Actually, V* should be infinity, so you integrate from V to infinity, or you integrate from αV to infinity.

Chet
 
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What if you reversed the steps I gave previously. Doesn't that imply that Cv is independent of the volume ( because in both cases they must gives the same value)?

Edit: sorry I seemed to assume that Cv was independent of temperature.
 
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