Curious about the uniform electric field between metal plates

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The discussion centers on understanding the nature of the electric field between two parallel metal plates, particularly in the context of a parallel plate capacitor. Participants explore both qualitative and quantitative aspects of the electric field, including the implications of charge distribution and the effects of distance from the plates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a uniform electric field can be quantitatively confirmed, suggesting that as a charge approaches a plate, the distance becomes very small, potentially leading to a larger electric field according to Coulomb's law.
  • Another participant clarifies that the discussion pertains to the uniform field inside a parallel-plate capacitor in an electrostatic case, asserting that no magnetic field is involved.
  • There is a suggestion that the uniformity of the electric field is due to the constant separation between the plates being small compared to their extent.
  • One participant proposes a model where the plates of a parallel capacitor can be treated as a transmission line during voltage changes, which introduces a temporary magnetic field associated with the charge propagation.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the electric field is approximately uniform between the plates, noting the presence of fringing at the edges.
  • One participant discusses the contributions of multiple charges on the plate to the force on a test charge, explaining how symmetry leads to cancellation of certain force components as the test charge approaches the plate.
  • A later reply highlights that test charges do not affect the charge distribution that produces the electric field.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the area of charge on the plate and the Coulomb forces, suggesting that as the distance decreases, the effects cancel out due to the geometric considerations of area and force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of the electric field and the implications of charge distribution. There is no clear consensus, as some participants challenge or refine earlier claims without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention concepts such as fringing effects, the role of symmetry in force cancellation, and the implications of modeling the plates as a transmission line, indicating a complex interplay of factors that may not be fully resolved.

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How is there a uniform electric field between two parallel metal plates? Okay, I can understand it through electric field lines. But how can this be quantitatively confirmed? My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, so according to Coulomb's law, a much larger electric field must be applied. Is it perhaps canceled out by the assumption that it is an infinite sheet of metal? Please provide detailed explanation.
How is there a uniform electric field between two parallel metal plates? Okay, I can understand it through electric field lines. But how can this be quantitatively confirmed? My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, so according to Coulomb's law, a much larger electric field must be applied. Is it perhaps canceled out by the assumption that it is an infinite sheet of metal? Please provide detailed explanation.
 
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hongseok said:
TL;DR Summary: How is there a uniform electric field between two parallel metal plates? Okay, I can understand it through electric field lines. But how can this be quantitatively confirmed? My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, so according to Coulomb's law, a much larger magnetic field must be applied. Is it perhaps canceled out by the assumption that it is an infinite sheet of metal? Please provide detailed explanation.
Are you asking about the uniform field inside a parallel-plate capacitor in the electrostatic case? If so, there is no magnetic field involved whatsoever.
 
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hongseok said:
My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, so according to Coulomb's law, a much larger magnetic field must be applied. Is it perhaps canceled out by the assumption that it is an infinite sheet of metal?
I assume you wrote "magnetic" when you actually meant to say "electric" field.
What charge approaches the metal plate? Are you charging a parallel plate capacitor? The electric field is approximately uniform between the plates. Most notably, there is fringing at the edges.
 
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The electric field between parallel plates is assumed uniform because the constant separation between the plates is small, when compared to the extent of the plates.

While changing voltage and charge, the plates of a parallel capacitor, can be modelled as a transmission line. During a change of voltage, there will be a temporary magnetic field associated with the charge that propagates.
 
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kuruman said:
I assume you wrote "magnetic" when you actually meant to say "electric" field.
What charge approaches the metal plate? Are you charging a parallel plate capacitor? The electric field is approximately uniform between the plates. Most notably, there is fringing at the edges.
Yes, I wanted to talk about electric fields. Sorry
 
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Yes, I wanted to talk about electric fields. Sorry
Has your question been answered?
 
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hongseok said:
My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, so according to Coulomb's law, a much larger electric field must be applied.
I think your intuitive mental model is based on an array of charges spaced all over the plate. Each charge will contribute to the force on your test charge. As the test charge is brought closer: 1. The nearby charges will cause a greater and greater charge in the Normal direction. 2. Charges elsewhere on the plate (away from the normal) will produce Coulomb's Law forces but symmetry will cause the tangential component of forces to cancel. The Normal componens of those forces will tend to zero. Only the charge directly under the test charge will produce a net Normal force. So the net Coulomb's Law forces will remain the same for all distances from the plate.
That's what the Maths says, too.
 
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hongseok said:
My intuition is that as the charge approaches the metal plate, r becomes very small, ...
What also becomes very small is the amount of charge (or area) on the plate, within any given angle range, off the normal vector, which determines the relevant normal component of the Coulomb forces by those charges.

Since that area is proportional to r2, while the Coulomb force is proportional to 1/r2, the two effects cancel.
 
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