Cyclical Integration by Parts, going round and round

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves integrating the function ∫e3xcos(2x)dx using integration by parts, with a focus on understanding the cyclical nature of the method and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but expresses confusion over the process and the results, indicating they are going in circles. They seek clarification on the choice of u and v for each step.
  • Some participants suggest integrating by parts twice and hint at a trick involving the reappearance of the original integral.
  • Further attempts to clarify the steps and results lead to questions about discrepancies between the original poster's results and those from external sources like Wolfram Alpha.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the integration process. Some guidance has been provided regarding the cyclical nature of integration by parts, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answer or method. The original poster is encouraged to verify their results against known solutions.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses frustration over not matching results with external tools and is seeking to understand the integration process better. There is an indication of confusion regarding the equivalence of their answer to that provided by Wolfram Alpha.

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Homework Statement



Integrate By Parts (i.e. not using formulas)
∫e3xcos(2x)dx


The Attempt at a Solution


I keep going around in circles, I know at some point I should be able to subtract the original integral across the = and then divide out the coefficient and that's the final answer. But I keep on getting different answers.

If some one could show the proper u=x1 du=x2 and v=x2 dv=x4 and state how many times I will have to repeat this and what u=x1 du=x2 and v=x2 dv=x4 should be for each step in the serial progression that is integration by parts. Please and Thanks
 
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You should be able to integrate by parts twice. Then there is a nice trick. Can you show us what you have tried so far?
 
y=∫e3xcos(2x)dx where u=e3x du=3e3x & v=(1/2)sin(2x) dv=cos(2x)

After integrating by parts twice i get this

y=e3xsin(2x)/2 - e3xsin(2x)/2 +sin2xe3x/2 -∫e3xcos(2x)dx


the 2nd time I integrated by parts it was

u=sin2x du=2cos(2x)

v=(1/3)e3x dv=e3x
 
OK good. Now for the trick.

You have defined

y = \int e^{3x} \cos(2x) dx

Now look at the right hand side of the result you got. The same integral appears again. So using the definition of y, you have

y = other stuff - y

Can you see what to do now?
 
Yeah I can see it but my answer didn't match up with what Wolfram gave.

they gave 1/13 e^(3 x) (3 cos(2 x)+2 sin(2 x))

And what am I missing why do your equations look so much...prettier?
 
And what did you get for your answer?
It's possible your answer is still equivalent to what WA gives you.
 
Well yes or coarse you silly goose. I guess i need to plug in some numbers and see if they work out. Ill report back shortly.
 
Its not coming out the same, I don't get it?
 

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