Integration by parts with e and sine

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral of the form \(\int e^{2x} \sin(3x) \, dx\), which involves integration by parts. Participants are exploring methods to tackle this integral, particularly focusing on the repeated application of integration by parts.

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  • Several participants describe their attempts using integration by parts, identifying \(u\) and \(v\) components, and expressing difficulties in progressing beyond initial steps. There are questions about the complexity of the integral and whether the approach is overly complicated.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to clarify the integral setup and the implications of applying integration by parts multiple times. Some participants suggest that the same integral reappears, indicating a potential algebraic manipulation to isolate the integral. Others introduce an alternative approach using complex numbers to simplify the evaluation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenges of handling the integral due to the nature of the functions involved, specifically mentioning that the integration by parts method leads to a recurrence of the original integral. There is also a mention of the importance of recognizing patterns when dealing with trigonometric functions and exponential functions.

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Homework Statement



Evaluate the integral.

Homework Equations



\int e^{2x} sin(3x) dx

The Attempt at a Solution



I began by using integration by parts.

u = sin(3x)

v = \frac {e^{2x}} {2}

du = 3 cos(3x)

dv = e^{2x} dx

but I get stuck after that because the integral keeps breaking down into more and more integrals, and I never arrive at the correct answer. I also may be making this too complicated. Any ideas?
 
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Yae Miteo said:

Homework Statement



Evaluate the integral.

Homework Equations



\int e^2{x} sin(3x) dx [/int]<br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> <br /> I began by using integration by parts.<br /> <br /> u = sin(3x) v = \frac {e^2x} {2} du = 3 cos(3x) dv = e^2x dx<br /> <br /> but I get stuck after that because the integral keeps breaking down into more and more integrals, and I never arrive at the correct answer. I also may be making this too complicated. Any ideas?
<br /> <br /> I believe you meant to write your integral as:<br /> <br /> $$I = \int e^{2x} sin(3x) dx $$<br /> <br /> Notice I&#039;ve called the above integral ##I##, the reason for this will become apparent soon.<br /> <br /> Make the substitution ##u = sin(3x)## and ##dv = e^{2x} dx##. What is the result of the following integral:<br /> <br /> $$uv - \int v du$$
 
Yae Miteo said:

Homework Statement



Evaluate the integral.

Homework Equations



\int e^{2x} sin(3x) dx

The Attempt at a Solution



I began by using integration by parts.

u = sin(3x)

v = \frac {e^{2x}} {2}

du = 3 cos(3x)

dv = e^{2x} dx

but I get stuck after that because the integral keeps breaking down into more and more integrals, and I never arrive at the correct answer. I also may be making this too complicated. Any ideas?

You need to do integration by parts once more. If you use similar substitutions, you'll end up with another integral whose integrand is e2xsin(3x). At that point, you can solve algebraically for this integral.
 
When you do parts twice, the same function will pop up inside the integral on both sides:

\int e^{2x}Sin3x dx = \frac{1}{2} e^{2x} Sin3x - \frac{3}{4}e^{2x} Cos3x - \frac{9}{4} \int e^{2x} Sin3x dx

Notice how the integrand is the same on both sides, this means that you can move your 9/4 over to the left using algebra. If you call your integral I in this case, all you need to do is solve for I.

You should put this special case in your memory bank - it always happens with trig functions and e since neither will be reduced by using parts.
 
I like to do these problems in the following way as it gives the answer quickly.

Consider:
$$A=\int e^{2x}\cos (3x)\,dx$$
$$B=\int e^{2x}\sin (3x)\,dx$$
Hence,
$$A+iB=\int e^{2x}e^{i3x}\,dx=\int e^{(2+3i)x}\,dx=\frac{e^{(2+3i)x}}{2+3i}+C$$
To obtain the given integral, compare the imaginary parts.
 

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