Damped harmonic oscillator and displacement

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a damped harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the ratio of two successive maxima in its displacement. The original poster seeks to understand how to demonstrate that this ratio remains constant, despite the damping effect on amplitude over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the conditions for maximum displacement by differentiating the displacement equation and setting the derivative to zero. They express confusion about identifying the two solutions and how to use them to show the constancy of the ratio of successive maxima.
  • Some participants question the relationship between the amplitudes at different times and clarify the conditions under which the cosine function reaches its maximum value.
  • Others suggest considering the time intervals between maxima and the effect of damping on amplitude.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the mathematical relationships involved in the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the identification of maxima and the implications of damping on amplitude. There is an ongoing clarification regarding the nature of amplitude in the context of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the constant nature of the amplitude parameter 'a' in the context of the problem, despite the general understanding that amplitude decreases over time in a damped harmonic oscillator. The original poster is navigating through these nuances to understand the implications for their solution.

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Homework Statement


"Show that the ratio of two successive maxima in the displacement of a damped harmonic oscillator is constant."

Homework Equations


x = a e^(-[tex]\upsilon[/tex]t/2) cos ([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex])

The Attempt at a Solution



So I want to find when this beast has its maximum values, so I take the derivative and set it = 0

x' = -[tex]\upsilon[/tex]*a/2 * e^(-[tex]\upsilon[/tex]t/2) * cos ([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex]) - [tex]\omega[/tex] e^(-[tex]\upsilon[/tex]t/2) * a * sin([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex])

So I set this to 0

and I get

[tex]\omega[/tex] * a * sin([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex]) = [tex]\upsilon[/tex]*a/2 * cos ([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex])

tan ([tex]\omega[/tex]t - [tex]\vartheta[/tex]) = -[tex]\upsilon[/tex]/2[tex]\omega[/tex]

The teacher mentioned to me that from this I'm suppose to realize there are 2 solutions and from that the rest is easy..

but the rest isn't easy!

I don't understand, where and what are my 2 solutions, and from those 2 solutions how do I use them to plug into my original x equation to show that these successive maxima are just = to a constant? And how do I know these solutions are maximums and not minimums?
 
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Just look at your expression for x(t). At what value of the cosine does it reach a maximum? What is that maximum? How long must you wait until the cosine reaches its maximum value once more? What is the value of this second maximum? This should get you started.
 
The value of cosine reaches a maximum when cos = 1 and that occurs when t = 0 and phi = 0. One then has to wait 2(pi)/w for it to reach that maximum value again. The value of this second maximum will be 1 * the new amplitude.

Ah.. so then

x0 = A0 when t = 0 and phi = 0

and

x1 = A1 e^(2*pi * -v / w)

and x0/x1 = A0/(A1 * e^((2*pi*-v)/w)

Which is a constant.
 
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Good job, but isn't A0 = A1 = a, the amplitude?
 
Wait but I thought in a damped harmonic oscillator the Amplitude decreases with time?
 
It does, but a is constant. Say the phase theta is zero, to make things simple. Then at time t = 0, the amplitude is

A(0) = a*exp(0) = a

after one period T has elapsed, the amplitude is

A(T) = a*exp(-v T/2)

after two periods have elapsed, the amplitude is

A(2T) = a*exp(-v(2T)/2)

Do you see how it works? The problem is asking "by what number do you have to multiply the old amplitude in order to get the new amplitude?"
 

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